manxchatterbox Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 according to The Times today Methamphetamine is today’s problem drug. The drug is known by various names, including “ice”, “meth”, “tina”, "Christine"and “Nazi crank”. It was first developed in 1919 and used by troops to keep awake. It was rumoured that Hitler injected it twice a day, hence the name “Nazi crank”. At sporting events there is random drug testing..airlines apparently check pilots...should employers be allowed to randomly check employees? The IOM Government is the Island's largest employer...statistically there will be some of its employees who are drug takers...Therefore shouldn't IOM Government set an example and introduce random drug / alcohol testing accross the entire workforce whether in Government offices, or anywhere on Govt payroll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Kerr Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 according to The Times today Methamphetamine is today’s problem drug. The drug is known by various names, including “ice”, “meth”, “tina”, "Christine"and “Nazi crank”. It was first developed in 1919 and used by troops to keep awake. It was rumoured that Hitler injected it twice a day, hence the name “Nazi crank”. At sporting events there is random drug testing..airlines apparently check pilots...should employers be allowed to randomly check employees? The IOM Government is the Island's largest employer...statistically there will be some of its employees who are drug takers...Therefore shouldn't IOM Government set an example and introduce random drug / alcohol testing accross the entire workforce whether in Government offices, or anywhere on Govt payroll? Link random drug tests to work permits, how's that for an idea? Five years of random tests or its the next boat home. SERIOUSLY THOUGH: I think what you really want is for the Island to be a Police State: Drug tests for Government workers, no abortion, ultra clean streets. Ever been to Singapore ... you'll love it. Just don't do anything whilst you're there because they will arrest you for even thinking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.theislandinsider.co.uk Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 why would they want to do that? even after the ESPAD survey, our Government said we didn't have a big drugs problem no problem? no need for testing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haX0red_Account Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 correct - we should be fortunate that we are as well off as we are in terms of the 'drug problem' and assistance there for those who need it. I worked in an environment which had both drug abuse and random testing and I can tell you it didn't work. False negatives (codeine in headache pills looks like smack), costs, breach of trust, unions and hypocrisy all contributed to it. Probably better to focus on the legal ones first and devote some real resource to the forthcoming teen diabetes/obesity epidemic. Don't have problem with saying govt employees take the lead and get some real benefit like healthchecks, better counselling, etc random tests tho don't work- it would only get the backs up of a lot of people (even some of the clean ones!) and civil service has enough issues already i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Unions would never permit it. Not my any means a union fan myself, I'm simply stating a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxchatterbox Posted March 1, 2006 Author Share Posted March 1, 2006 our Government said we didn't have a big drugs problem no problem? no need for testing? I take it that's a tongue in cheek comment 'cost there surely is a big problem as per the recent seizures and the money being pumped into the Drug&Alcohol Strategy... ..if there isn't a problem then no one would mind being tested.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haX0red_Account Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 well, WE don't have a big problem. Some individuals have a very big problem with drugs however and assistance is available to them if they need help or want to change. They're also breaking the law so can be dealt with by the polis. Therefore, shouldn't we ask for some sort of china-style internet filter to check everyone's surfing in case they're doing something naughty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxchatterbox Posted March 1, 2006 Author Share Posted March 1, 2006 If its thought the unions wouldn't support it why wouldn't they? In my thoughts a Union rep would be part of the random test team.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Kerr Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 You really, really want to live in a police state don't you. I really do recommend Singapore to you. The death sentence for drugs, $150 fine for dropping chewing gum in the street, $300 for not flushing the loo. You and the other members ofr the Hitler youth would love it. You could have your own special hats made and everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Well maybe second time you mention Singapore, someone should pick up on it so . . . I like Singapore. Wonderful clean buildings with, for example, plenty of granite architecture which couldn't possibly be built in the UK as they would be defaced by graffitti and vandalism within weeks. No chewing gum splattered all over the Street. Alan Bell MHK was talking only yesterday about Strand Street looking tatty. What doesn't help is that the street itself (which is less about 10 years old) is covered in spots of chewing gum. Take a look next time your down there. It is amazing. Singapore may, to some, seem a bit sterile. But if sterile means living in a clean environment where people have consideration and respect for others then I'm all for it. Oh, and edited to add about random drug testing. There should be a voluntary drug testing facility. Let people know that you are clean of drugs. I wonder how many of our finance sector and Athol Street types would be able to show clear of Cocaine ? ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxchatterbox Posted March 1, 2006 Author Share Posted March 1, 2006 I have actually spent some time in Singapore and JK's correct - its very very clean - no litter - no chewing gum - no cig butts - and a no namby pamby attitude to anti social behaviour so there isn't any... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScope Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 according to The Times today Methamphetamine is today’s problem drug. The drug is known by various names, including “ice”, “meth”, “tina”, "Christine"and “Nazi crank”. It was first developed in 1919 and used by troops to keep awake. It was rumoured that Hitler injected it twice a day, hence the name “Nazi crank”. Also known as "P" (pure methamphetamine). This stuff is a real problem in New Zealand, apparently its at epidemic proportions out there. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Well maybe second time you mention Singapore, someone should pick up on it so . . . I like Singapore. Wonderful clean buildings with, for example, plenty of granite architecture which couldn't possibly be built in the UK as they would be defaced by graffitti and vandalism within weeks. No chewing gum splattered all over the Street. Alan Bell MHK was talking only yesterday about Strand Street looking tatty. What doesn't help is that the street itself (which is less about 10 years old) is covered in spots of chewing gum. Take a look next time your down there. It is amazing. Singapore may, to some, seem a bit sterile. But if sterile means living in a clean environment where people have consideration and respect for others then I'm all for it. As an ex destroyer man and submariner who visited Singapore many times I would have to say I always found it enjoyable too. It offered more in terms of opportunity for debauchery than almost any other place I have visited. No matter what your taste it was there. From transvestites on Bugis Street to suspiciously young looking prostitutes being touted by their brothers in the "4 Floors of Whores". For more exotic tastes there was always the opportunity to observe young ladies with a close attachment to one or more breed of animal and there was, of course, the usual mix of escort services and street prostitution for travellers to be tempted by. It also offered a multitude of opportunities to get off your head on alcohol and drugs of one sort or another. Most RN personnel confined their activities to those involving alcohol. But there were always some takers for the more risque entertainment on offer. Clearly this was a place which needed to be sanitized and this goes some way towards explaining the draconian sounding laws. I havent been there for a while, but friends who have, tell me it is almost unrecognisable as the epicentre of our youthful misadventures. A case of horses for courses but does the Island need laws such as these ? I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Are you lot talking about speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Are you lot talking about speed? lately known as Tina and has become linked to use by homosexuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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