Manx Radio

[Mr Newbie]

52 minutes ago, gettafa said:

If the Creamery had just withdrawn their sponsorship I would understand but they had to make some sort of airy statement. 

You know how the Manx public sector works. They’ll still be harbouring a grudge against his stance on buying Manx milk years ago so it’s just a chance to put the boot in and pander to the #metoo generation of hopeless virtue signalers. If they were still at Uni they’d have something to do but these poor white kids have been locked up in the IOM for 10 weeks now with nothing to do but acquire a new cause from social media and they want to protest to give them something to do. They’ll be off to a new cause in a few months after they’ve burned all the recent sexism, racism, and mental health campaigns. We is all black now innit! 

[P.K.]

5 minutes ago, Chef Raekwon said:

Why don't you give us an example of something that someone might say that would lead to one of those accusations?

Otherwise this is yet more meaningless strawman tripe.

What, like "all lives matter" or something like it...?

[HeliX]

Just now, P.K. said:

What, like "all lives matter" or something like it...?

Depends on context doesn't it? All lives do matter. It becomes less of an innocuous thing to say if you're directing it in a manner intended to discredit the Black Lives Matter movement though.

[P.K.]

1 minute ago, HeliX said:

Depends on context doesn't it? All lives do matter. It becomes less of an innocuous thing to say if you're directing it in a manner intended to discredit the Black Lives Matter movement though.

No.

[HeliX]

5 minutes ago, P.K. said:

No.

There's probably several hundred articles I could choose from, but as I'm lazy here's the first one from Google.

https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/a32745051/what-black-lives-matter-means/

[Max Power]

16 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Depends on context doesn't it? All lives do matter. It becomes less of an innocuous thing to say if you're directing it in a manner intended to discredit the Black Lives Matter movement though.

Correct, the underlying cause is the way that the US treats black people through its various agencies. This becomes a self fulfilling prophesy by the fact that there has to be an outlet for those at the bottom of this tier of ignorance. They turn to all sorts of ways of trying to make a living and get what others have, they begin to look inwards themselves resulting in violent action and leading to police assumption that all blacks are potentially dangerous! We all know and have seen what happens next. 

In Britain we have a similar situation, although the police are not quite so heavy handed. People respond to stimuli, whether positive or negative and we reap what we sow. 

[The Dog's Dangly Bits]

29 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Depends on context doesn't it? All lives do matter. It becomes less of an innocuous thing to say if you're directing it in a manner intended to discredit the Black Lives Matter movement though.

You seem very touchy about something you really shouldn't be.

[Roger Mexico]

4 hours ago, P.K. said:

I'm simply questioning the motivation of the team that kippered Stu and why?

To take your point above in the other thread "the police force are institutionally racist" got a mention and is a good example.

There are constant claims that the UK police force are "institutionally racist" , especially London's Met, and folks are often in the more lurid papers where they have been paid compo and so forth.

Now the police force have a deliberately broad-based recruiting strategy. Which means that as an institution they reflect UK society at large.

Therefore if the police force are "institutionally racist" then so is UK society.

QED

No one has kippered Stu up except himself.  You're basically complaining that he got into an argument with people who knew more about something than he did, refused to back down and so made himself look an idiot.  You can't even say that he was putting up an alternative point of view to callers to create a discussion because he doesn't do that when people say something he agrees with.  And the be fair to him he's admitted that much in the past on MF - he's not a dishonest person.

The 'motivations' of those that rang in to discuss things with him don't matter in the slightest - though you would imagine that like most people who ring up phone-ins, they simply wanted to put their opinions across.  If he failed at the job he is paid to do, it's his own fault.

I think that, like a lot of people, you don't understand what institutional racism is.  It's when the operation of an institution produces outcomes that are racist.  It doesn't mean that everyone or indeed anyone in that institution is racist (though some may be).  It doesn't even mean the society is racist - it's about how things work.  It can even be the result of good intentions, wrongly applied.

A good example of this actually involves the Met Police.  It was found that BAME officers were much more likely to have disciplinary charges against them.  It turned out that in a lot of cases senior officers were afraid of being called racist and so decided to do things 'by the book'.  But if they were dealing with a similar minor failing by a White officer, they might just decide to 'have a quiet word'.  So the overall effect was racist because White police were being charged less - even if the disciplinary process itself wasn't racist.  (That doesn't mean that the Met disciplinary procedures can't be racist as well though - there have been some shocking examples over the years).

It's rather like how we describe Tynwald as being 'institutionally corrupt' .  That doesn't mean that every single member is on the take - it's because the way the members are paid means that they are rewarded for behaving in a certain way.

[HeliX]

21 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

You seem very touchy about something you really shouldn't be.

Poor attempt to dismiss a point without addressing it.

[Mr Newbie]

39 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

No one has kippered Stu up except himself.  You're basically complaining that he got into an argument with people who knew more about something than he did, refused to back down and so made himself look an idiot.  You can't even say that he was putting up an alternative point of view to callers to create a discussion because he doesn't do that when people say something he agrees with.  And the be fair to him he's admitted that much in the past on MF - he's not a dishonest person.

The 'motivations' of those that rang in to discuss things with him don't matter in the slightest - though you would imagine that like most people who ring up phone-ins, they simply wanted to put their opinions across.  If he failed at the job he is paid to do, it's his own fault.

I agree with most of that. He’s got into these scrapes before - the autistic kid one was straight out of something like Alan Partridge or Ricky Gervais in The Extras and I remember the Facebook outrage from all the mums demanding he be fired. It wasn’t that long ago. I think he will actually be fired over this one too. But I also feel sorry for him. His call in show is at best typical amateurish Manx Radio crap and in fact not much different to Partridges Radio Norwich call in shows scripted by Steve Coogan. I think they probably did seek him out with the intention of using the outrage generated when he dropped the inevitable bollock as a bit of a prop to advertise the forthcoming Black Lives Matter protest. That’s a bit low I think as any halfwit could make him make a twat out of himself in about 2 minutes flat. It’s not like you need much ammunition as he’s a willing victim the way he usually operates and likes to play the Clarkson or James Whale act without having the intelligence or charisma of a Clarkson or James Whale character. The social media storm was far too quick and content heavy to be anything else.

That whole recording reminds me exactly of this 

 

Edited June 5, 2020 by Mr Newbie

[Rhumsaa]

1 hour ago, Gladys said:

Nothing worse than a truthful idiot!

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt

[Manximus Aururaneus]

4 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

Eh? The UK supplied much of it. It was a significant part of the UK economy in the 16th+ centuries. "We" were as much a part of it as those who benefitted directly from slave labour. 

 

4 hours ago, P.K. said:

Eh?

Who doesn't know about the UK's contribution to shipping slaves from Africa to the Americas?

I'm not going to bother trying to explain the rest.

Both of the above statements are basically correct - Slavery was indeed "a significant part of the UK economy in the 16th+ centuries"  (Sugar trade mainly) and also few people do not "know about the UK's contribution to shipping slaves from Africa to the Americas". Many people also believe that they are fully aware of the other side of the debate by acknowledging the contribution to abolition made by William Wilberforce and the acts of 1807 and in particular 1833 and therefore have a balanced view of the subject.

But how many people would be able to describe the fact that Britain used it's newly-found domination of the seas to force treaties upon Portugal (1810) then Spain, France, Netherlands, Sweden and eventually the last country to ban slavery (Brazil) in 1831.

Fewer still would be aware of the existence of 'The Preventative Squadron' from 1815 which patrolled off the coast of Africa. 3,000 miles of infected swamp coast were patrolled for decades (half a century) costing many British lives in the process. As well as illness, physical battles were fought, slavers arrested, corrupt court cases fought, and even Portugal and Brazil threatened with war if they did not cease slavery.

HMS Black Joke (True) under Commander Downes and his successors (Capt Collier!) was the most successful anti-slavery ship of them all - releasing far more slaves than the 3,000 she had transported in her previous life as a slave ship before being captured by the British navy and becoming poacher turned gamekeeper. The preventative squadron captured some 1,600 slave ships between 1808 and 1860 and released 150,000 slaves in the process.

Brazil (by far the worst slave trade country) refused to buckle to British demands, Palmerston ordered British warships to search and arrest within Brazilian waters and rivers 'as if we are at war'. Only 11 Brazilian slavers escaped the raids and every single one was later caught. Brazilian slave trade was all but eradicated by the 1850's and the last slave market (Havana) was closed in 1869 (by the British).

Portugal welched on the treaty in 1839 - Palmerston passed a law indemnifying British Naval officers for searching, seizing and sinking Portuguese ships engaged in slavery even if they were in international waters (technically an act of war)............

Whilst the USA did indeed ban slavery shortly after the UK - The fact was that most slave ships thereafter flew the American flag as that gave them protection from searches at sea by the British!

I could go on - the story is not as simple as sometimes made out.

Edited June 5, 2020 by Manximus Aururaneus

[The Dog's Dangly Bits]

14 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Poor attempt to dismiss a point without addressing it.

 There isn't anything to address.  You seem touchy and overly sensitive about something that you really have no proper reason to be. Sort yourself out.

[woolley]

1 hour ago, Gladys said:

Nothing worse than a truthful idiot!

Intelligent liar?

[2112]

Having reviewed what’s going on, both on here and on Facebook sites regarding this matter, which in all honest has produced the mother of all shitstorms, invoking hatred on all sides. 
 

Stu made a mistake, which I don’t think was intentional or deliberate. Stupidity possibly and not really engaging his mouth before putting his brain into gear could be said. Sadly the damage has been done. 
 

Perhaps Stu’s type of program of wasted on the island, if this is the reaction. The excuse regarding the Creamery pulling their sponsorship is to be honest a bit rum. The likes of the Creamery/Farmers are quick to take money off the taxpayer. Maybe the program slot should be broadcasting light opera and Songs of Praise type music, interspersed with episodes of the Castlereagh Line! Or maybe we could end programming at 10pm, which will hopefully save Manx Radio money. 
 

Nobody has won, neither Stu, the supposed Caller, and those on either side of the argument. It’s exposed horrible, hateful and ignorant divisions. Even some those who purport to support BLM can’t really pertain to be ‘purer than pure’.