P.K. Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, pongo said: That's a very different kind of representation. It's not a tribute piece. Hmmm so according to you statues are "tribute" pieces. Oh dear, doesn't that mean you've just answered your own question...? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, P.K. said: Hmmm so according to you statues are "tribute" pieces. Oh dear, doesn't that mean you've just answered your own question...? David is essentially a sculpture. It's about form and emotion etc. Yes it's a kind of a statue, but that's almost incidental. It's also provocative. And it's not a monument. A statue of a dead famous person is mostly something quite different. Who is it for? Are we supposed to feel something about it? Is it a reminder? I'm surprised that you and Woolley cannot see what I am getting at. It seems a reasonable question. Is it basically a convention which we are not supposed to question? Edited June 12, 2020 by pongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Michelangelo's David is "a kind of statue"....? Not just probably the most wonderful sculpture produced by humankind in hundreds of years then. Is it racist to accuse someone of being a Philistine? Lots of statues are commissioned by public subscription some years after the death of the individual portrayed. Sir William Hillary has a very good showing around Douglas. I'm sure a tour of them will answer your question. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, P.K. said: Lots of statues are commissioned by public subscription some years after the death of the individual portrayed. Yes I know. But it doesn't answer the why. It seems an odd convention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manximus Aururaneus Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 6 hours ago, P.K. said: I thought viewing Michelangelo's David was well worth the trip to Florence. Having spent an hour or so gawping at the ceiling of the Sistene chapel you have to wonder how some folks are just so outrageously gifted.... Culture is all well and good but did you get the name of the alarm system like I asked you to? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 6 hours ago, pongo said: A statue of a dead famous person is mostly something quite different. Who is it for? Are we supposed to feel something about it? Is it a reminder? Is it basically a convention which we are not supposed to question? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Love that Quilp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Yup, says it all that, Quilp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 I wonder if the French, Italian, or Spanish police would stand by like our boys and girls, as the barbarians destroy their nation's history, art and culture ? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Shake me up Judy said: I wonder if the French, Italian, or Spanish police would stand by like our boys and girls, as the barbarians destroy their nation's history, art and culture ? The Spanish had a fair old history in the slave trade too... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 hours ago, quilp said: There is a false equivalence implict in this cartoon. Since Rodin's The Thinker is a sculpture, a piece of art. It's not a monument (to dead slave trader). A monument serves a very different cultural function. The few surviving statues of Stalin are now in museums. Where they belong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: The Spanish had a fair old history in the slave trade too... Christopher Columbus invented it.....apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTail Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 13 minutes ago, piebaps said: Christopher Columbus invented it.....apparently. Total bollocks. Slavery is as old as history. The old testament even spells out rules for how far you can beat up your slave among other instructions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, pongo said: There is a false equivalence implict in this cartoon. Since Rodin's The Thinker is a sculpture, a piece of art. It's not a monument (to dead slave trader). A monument serves a very different cultural function. The few surviving statues of Stalin are now in museums. Where they belong. Listen here, Mr cancel-culture-haughty-pants, whether statue or monument, they're erected to symbolise, embody sentiment, a statement of historical fame or as a critique of infamy thus should not to be forgotten- "lest we forget" an'that... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Stalin. Hungary. 1956. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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