Manx Radio

[quilp]

It's a wonder you've any teeth left. 

[Passing Time]

23 hours ago, Ramseyboi said:

Best to close all the threads and shut the site down then?

How about your start a new and exciting list that hasn’t already been done to death? 
 

We are waiting.

You mean like a topic that you don't suddenly become the expert on that subject... I'll just pull up my chair

 

[James Blonde]

On 12/19/2021 at 9:07 PM, quilp said:

On 12/19/2021 at 4:37 PM, Ramseyboi said:

 

This "conversation" about the value of MR has been wrung out for years on here. Nothing ever changes, MR continues to be subvented by the taxpayer, questions have always been asked, answers have always be qualified and so it goes on.

The subsidy changes. It sky rockets. 

[2112]

There was an interesting article on the NPM this afternoon relating to suspects in the burglary of Mark Cavendish’s home in Essex. The article has pictures of two people that the police are looking for in connection with the burglary. 
 

I wonder if these fugitives have worked their way up to Heysham, and snook themselves on to the Ben (being sarcastic!). There is one thing reporting to the Manx public an update in the development in the Mark Cavendish burglary story, but was it necessary to publish pictures of the suspects? The crime happened in Essex, and has no real relevance to the island. I know it’s Friday but surely there is other newsworthy items, or political stories that can be reported - I’m sure Jason Moorehouse and Tim Glover could provide the newsroom 24/7 with stories and scoops. 

[Stu Peters]

On 12/20/2021 at 9:13 PM, James Blonde said:

The subsidy changes. It sky rockets. 

I'm late to the party, apologies.

I suspect that adjusted for inflation the subvention has probably gone down over the last five years.

[Banker]

12 hours ago, 2112 said:

There was an interesting article on the NPM this afternoon relating to suspects in the burglary of Mark Cavendish’s home in Essex. The article has pictures of two people that the police are looking for in connection with the burglary. 
 

I wonder if these fugitives have worked their way up to Heysham, and snook themselves on to the Ben (being sarcastic!). There is one thing reporting to the Manx public an update in the development in the Mark Cavendish burglary story, but was it necessary to publish pictures of the suspects? The crime happened in Essex, and has no real relevance to the island. I know it’s Friday but surely there is other newsworthy items, or political stories that can be reported - I’m sure Jason Moorehouse and Tim Glover could provide the newsroom 24/7 with stories and scoops. 

Well it’s more interesting than Jason’s 20 or so Tynwald questions including numerous ones on face masks!!

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9 hours ago, Stu Peters said:

I'm late to the party, apologies.

I suspect that adjusted for inflation the subvention has probably gone down over the last five years.

You could actually check rather than just guess. It is not as though you are not in a position to do so.

A 30 second internet search shows that the the Subvention was £995k in 2021/21 having been £850k in 2014/15 and £875 in 2015/2016 to 2018/2019. So a 13.7% increase in the last 5 years.

[Shake me up Judy]

Can we stop calling it a 'subvention' like it's some sort of financial instrument, essential to the continuance of the station. It's mostly to pay the grossly overpaid salaries of public sector senior managers. Isn't the top guy on a six figure sum or thereabouts ? 

[2112]

47 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said:

Can we stop calling it a 'subvention' like it's some sort of financial instrument, essential to the continuance of the station. It's mostly to pay the grossly overpaid salaries of public sector senior managers. Isn't the top guy on a six figure sum or thereabouts ? 

It’s a dressed up subsidy pure and simple. State aid used to prop up an ailing enterprise, but an enterprise wholly owned by the taxpayers. 

[Omobono]

14 hours ago, 2112 said:

There was an interesting article on the NPM this afternoon relating to suspects in the burglary of Mark Cavendish’s home in Essex. The article has pictures of two people that the police are looking for in connection with the burglary. 
 

I wonder if these fugitives have worked their way up to Heysham, and snook themselves on to the Ben (being sarcastic!). There is one thing reporting to the Manx public an update in the development in the Mark Cavendish burglary story, but was it necessary to publish pictures of the suspects? The crime happened in Essex, and has no real relevance to the island. I know it’s Friday but surely there is other newsworthy items, or political stories that can be reported - I’m sure Jason Moorehouse and Tim Glover could provide the newsroom 24/7 with stories and scoops. 

Don't forget David Cretney's riveting  articles , they fill up the news pages as well ,

[Stu Peters]

LL, you're right. In my defence I check in here for a bit of light relief and banter rather than wanting to research or fact check everything.

I've no reason to sing the company song any more, but there are still some misconceptions that I feel need to be addressed. I don't think the current MD is earning anything like 6 figures, although the previous one probably was just about (after 20 years increments in service). There are NO big salaries at MR (compared to, say, BBC equivalents) and whilst a manual worker might consider it 'easy money' for 'not a proper job' it is simply a different set of skills. Whether the output is appropriate and it's run efficiently and well is for the board to answer, but I think by most metrics it is.

It IS a subvention. That's what it's always been. MR is owned by the Manx public who - for it to continue in the form they approve of - must pay for it. They already get a good deal compared to our UK friends in that MR is paid for from general taxation and not an additional tax (the licence fee), and is expected to raise over half its operating costs from commercial activities. It operates on a statutory footing, unlike the other two stations which are purely commercial businesses launched to compete in the same advertising market. I admire both Ron and Juan for what they have achieved, but get tired of hearing about the lack of a level playing field - they both knew what they were up against yet chose to launch and take their chances anyway, and government was happy (in the name of 'media plurality') to allow them to take listeners and advertising revenue from MR.

Talk of it being a subsidy is just wrong. The taxpayer owns the station and pays for it - if anything the commercial income subsidises the taxpayer. I don't (and never did) listen to much of the specialist speech and music programming, but I am content to chip in knowing that it's important to others. Like I won't ever ride the flumes at the NSC. Government could sell MR to (for example) Tindle Media tomorrow and save the subvention entirely, but nobody would buy it if they had to continue the breadth of current programming, so at best it would end up just another bland Top 40 commercial station with most of its (freelance) presenters working from back bedrooms in Slough or Stoke Poges with its news mainly from Sky.

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15 minutes ago, Stu Peters said:

LL, you're right. In my defence I check in here for a bit of light relief and  banter rather than wanting to research or fact check everything.

Maybe you should post anonymously then or observe more and post less.

I expect everybody should try and post accurately, although I appreciate some don't. Doing anonymously you can probably get away where posters post under their own name or their pseudonym is known not doing may affect people's of opinion that person in real life. 

If you stand for election to represent people knowing that your social media output will be seen I would have thought that any politician would be careful what they posted so as not to give or re-enforce a negative image. You have often said you rely on gut feeling which is not what I want in a person who is involved in making decisions which affect my everyday life, It is in part why I did not vote for you. Whilst I appreciate this is only a forum posting in a way that suggests you are simply happy to make an assumption rather than spend 30 seconds checking does re-enforce my opinion that you do not have the enquiring mind etc that I think an MHK should have. Constantly you say you want to scrutinise and be part of the checks and balances in respect of Government. To do that well I would have thought that having a position that you wanted to check things rather than just accept matters or make assumptions would be a pre-condition. Only deciding to check if a matter does not meet with a pre-conceived view seems to miss the point.

 

[forestboy]

1 minute ago, Lost Login said:

Maybe you should post anonymously then or observe more and post less.

I expect everybody should try and post accurately, although I appreciate some don't. Doing anonymously you can probably get away where posters post under their own name or their pseudonym is known not doing may affect people's of opinion that person in real life. 

If you stand for election to represent people knowing that your social media output will be seen I would have thought that any politician would be careful what they posted so as not to give or re-enforce a negative image. You have often said you rely on gut feeling which is not what I want in a person who is involved in making decisions which affect my everyday life, It is in part why I did not vote for you. Whilst I appreciate this is only a forum posting in a way that suggests you are simply happy to make an assumption rather than spend 30 seconds checking does re-enforce my opinion that you do not have the enquiring mind etc that I think an MHK should have. Constantly you say you want to scrutinise and be part of the checks and balances in respect of Government. To do that well I would have thought that having a position that you wanted to check things rather than just accept matters or make assumptions would be a pre-condition. Only deciding to check if a matter does not meet with a pre-conceived view seems to miss the point.

 

Another let’s bash Stu day is it?
Totally unwarranted. 

[joebean]

I am getting the impression that LL does not like Stu Peters, or anything he says. Oh well. 

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6 minutes ago, forestboy said:

Another let’s bash Stu day is it?
Totally unwarranted. 

No. Once you are in the public eye you will be treated to a different standard than somebody who is not. If somebody posts anonymously it is not going to affect how people view them or  think that they are capable of doing there day job.

You might be in private a complete conspiracy theorist and happy to post anonymously here in your belief the earth is flat. You probably would not be wise doing that if you were a doctor, a lawyer, in Government etc under your own name as one you have prominent role everything you do reflects on how people think of you for good to bad.

I am not an MHK but if I was I might post on here anonymously as you could set a few kites flying to judge public mood and opinion without then having to deal with the fall out. I am not thinking about anything extreme but topics like an all Island speed limits etc