Cret Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Well I most certainly would not decry such an astute journal as Wikipedia.... they are the "Daily Mail" of modern perception and thought provoking thrust. However, you are quite correct in your assumption..... this is one of the most famous misquotes of the time to be associated with Hemingway but it served it's purpose on this occasion to underline how retarded Hemingway actually saw Fitzgerald. If you wish to discuss literature then I suggest we start a different thread and I would be more than happy to do so.... it appears that we might be able to have an amiable banter on the subject.... you appear to be a cove of written postmodernism. I send you flowers my petal. I wave to you across the River Dee. Discuss literature with someone who says it's instead of its? Get, as the young people say, real. Just to be devil's advocate for a moment, when I was at school English language and English Literature were two separate O levels/GCSEs and I believe that the above would come under English language. Perception of one's ability at one should not really influence perception of ability at the other I wouldn't have thought. Not that I proclaim to be brilliant at either but to me it would be a bit like assuming that a good mechanic is skilled at selling cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 4, 2006 Author Share Posted July 4, 2006 I normally leave others to correct grammar. But, since you challenged me to discuss literature, of all things, I thought it was perfectly reasonable to break my normal rules in this context. Go for it baby but start a new thread and to encourage everyone else to join in, make it enjoyable.... people can be very scared by the written word but also educated by constructive criticism.... New thread please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Hello Jake, is that you in your avatar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 (bet some people have a lot of comments to make!!)??? I bet they don't. ...Alright, I think its says you are a Gemini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 I don't have a car, I have 4 pushbikes - 2 mtn bikes, a Carbon Fibre Atala road racing bike + a Titanium + Carbon Fibre Guru Time Trial/Triathalon bike. Oh do fuck off, even a thread about cars gets you posting about your bikes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Post of the Year Mish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cret Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 I don't have a car, I have 4 pushbikes - 2 mtn bikes, a Carbon Fibre Atala road racing bike + a Titanium + Carbon Fibre Guru Time Trial/Triathalon bike. Oh do fuck off, even a thread about cars gets you posting about your bikes! Yoinks! That sounds a tad harsh. I was actually wondering how it takes 4 pushbikes to get round the island though. Surely one for tarmac, one for not tarmac would suffice? I just about manage with a car, a landy, a bike & 2 boats but 4 of the same kind of transport sounds just plain greedy! Reality is it sounds like I have far too many vehicles but I'm usually fixing/maintaining at least 50% of the 'fleet' at any one time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 5, 2006 Author Share Posted July 5, 2006 Hello Jake, is that you in your avatar? Hello Mission....I do hope you are not going to pull me over my "looks." They are superficial.... it is what is inside a person that matters and not how good looking they are that adds to the harmony, peace and loving we can all extend to one another. I was unfortunate to be born that way (ugly) but I seek solace in peoples understanding and I ask no favours.... just acceptance and for it to be known that I can contribute to any soul and be a shoulder to lean on in a time of crisis. My parents used to tell me I was "special".... they won't even talk to me these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 5, 2006 Author Share Posted July 5, 2006 Just to be devil's advocate for a moment, when I was at school English language and English Literature were two separate O levels/GCSEs and I believe that the above would come under English language. Perception of one's ability at one should not really influence perception of ability at the other I wouldn't have thought. Not that I proclaim to be brilliant at either but to me it would be a bit like assuming that a good mechanic is skilled at selling cars. Be the devil's advocate by all means my friend.... I took "O" level and "A" level in order to establish a further learning qualification ..... what I do not wish to do is rub other peoples faces in it.... hence, if you spell incorrectly then I don't really care.... I am merely talking to you as a person but I certainly get the gist of what you are saying and can respond in a similar manner without the need to correct your grammar and likewise try not to make you feel somehow inferior in that you cannot approach me over a subject. I am not perfect and I have my faults. Vice versa I am sure you would agree. English as the proverbial written language is just that.... plain English, a way to communicate and explain oneself.... it is a written form of communication that surpasses all known languages in expression and meaning, hence it being the dominant language. You can speak English and make your definition more readily recognised than you can through say.... Welsh as their terms are in the context of the pure descriptive and not the underlying euphemism and tend to generate a very bland dialogue of bland words with little meaning, only the descriptive with no emotion. English language is just that (descriptive and emotive)...in what we speak. English literature is a very different subject altogether.... it is an interpretation of everything we see around us.... it is not bound by a particular author or book, but by the person who writes the words.... the authors like Chaucer who no longer figure in our lives although an old fiddle has a good tune.... in this world we are mostly postmodernist and the old values have died long since with the old tale tellers. History is fine as a learning tool as it teaches that time has a pattern of repeating itself.... but the pattern will never follow the same path.... it just means that the outcome will always be different but the views will never change.... I wonder who wrote that?.... Mrs.T. English Lit. is not just about apostrophes or commas.... it is about the perception of the written word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cret Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Just to be devil's advocate for a moment, when I was at school English language and English Literature were two separate O levels/GCSEs and I believe that the above would come under English language. Perception of one's ability at one should not really influence perception of ability at the other I wouldn't have thought. Not that I proclaim to be brilliant at either but to me it would be a bit like assuming that a good mechanic is skilled at selling cars. Be the devil's advocate by all means my friend.... I took "O" level and "A" level in order to establish a further learning qualification ..... what I do not wish to do is rub other peoples faces in it.... hence, if you spell incorrectly then I don't really care.... I am merely talking to you as a person but I certainly get the gist of what you are saying and can respond in a similar manner without the need to correct your grammar and likewise try not to make you feel somehow inferior in that you cannot approach me over a subject. I am not perfect and I have my faults. Vice versa I am sure you would agree. English as the proverbial written language is just that.... plain English, a way to communicate and explain oneself.... it is a written form of communication that surpasses all known languages in expression and meaning, hence it being the dominant language. You can speak English and make your definition more readily recognised than you can through say.... Welsh as their terms are in the context of the pure descriptive and not the underlying euphemism and tend to generate a very bland dialogue of bland words with little meaning, only the descriptive with no emotion. English language is just that (descriptive and emotive)...in what we speak. English literature is a very different subject altogether.... it is an interpretation of everything we see around us.... it is not bound by a particular author or book, but by the person who writes the words.... the authors like Chaucer who no longer figure in our lives although an old fiddle has a good tune.... in this world we are mostly postmodernist and the old values have died long since with the old tale tellers. History is fine as a learning tool as it teaches that time has a pattern of repeating itself.... but the pattern will never follow the same path.... it just means that the outcome will always be different but the views will never change.... I wonder who wrote that?.... Mrs.T. English Lit. is not just about apostrophes or commas.... it is about the perception of the written word. I can't even be arsed reading all that because I think you got the wrond end of the stick. Mrs T appeared to be having a pop at you that did not seem especially valid from what I could see so I was sort of sticking up for you. Shan't bother in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Hello Jake, is that you in your avatar? Hello Mission....I do hope you are not going to pull me over my "looks." They are superficial.... it is what is inside a person that matters and not how good looking they are that adds to the harmony, peace and loving we can all extend to one another. I was unfortunate to be born that way (ugly) but I seek solace in peoples understanding and I ask no favours.... just acceptance and for it to be known that I can contribute to any soul and be a shoulder to lean on in a time of crisis. My parents used to tell me I was "special".... they won't even talk to me these days. A simple yes would have sufficed. I have no problem with the way you look at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 5, 2006 Author Share Posted July 5, 2006 Personal apologies sent to both Mission and Cret...... I am not the person in my avatar btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Got me a "trusty" old Ford Escort Estate, 1.6L hatchback. Old quilt in the back for the 2 lurchers to sit on, some tools & bits of crap for work on the back seat, along with a dog bowl & large bottle of water for the hounds. A "packet TNC" (best described as a modem for radio use) under the passenger seat along with an about £20 110v 175W invertor (powers an old Toshiba Libretto every now & then), a Yaesu FT-8900 quad band FM transceiver, connected to an antennae mounted on the roof bar - for my amatuer radio hobby. - I managed to make a "packet" contact with the International Space Sation for my first time this evening, my callsign 2D0BCR, should still be on the "ISS heard stations list" for the next few hours:- ISS Stations Heard0 - Was quite chuffed making that one tonight! Also have a Pioneer bluetooth car stereo with built in MP3 CD player - bluetooth stuff is ace, can make handsfree calls via the radio when driving about, also have an iPod interface, so I can control the iPod from the car stereo controls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 I drive a big red Transit van. It's normally filled with kayaks and has at least 2 kayaks on the roof.... what does that say about me? I'm worried about global warming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 6, 2006 Author Share Posted July 6, 2006 Got me a "trusty" old Ford Escort Estate, 1.6L hatchback. Old quilt in the back for the 2 lurchers to sit on, some tools & bits of crap for work on the back seat, along with a dog bowl & large bottle of water for the hounds. A "packet TNC" (best described as a modem for radio use) under the passenger seat along with an about £20 110v 175W invertor (powers an old Toshiba Libretto every now & then), a Yaesu FT-8900 quad band FM transceiver, connected to an antennae mounted on the roof bar - for my amatuer radio hobby. - I managed to make a "packet" contact with the International Space Sation for my first time this evening, my callsign 2D0BCR, should still be on the "ISS heard stations list" for the next few hours:- ISS Stations Heard0 - Was quite chuffed making that one tonight! Also have a Pioneer bluetooth car stereo with built in MP3 CD player - bluetooth stuff is ace, can make handsfree calls via the radio when driving about, also have an iPod interface, so I can control the iPod from the car stereo controls. Laughed my ickle bits off over your post.... you are certainly right about the trusty old Fords though, I had one for years till work gave me a car of sorts.... you seem to have a lot of expensive "stuff" in it though. Post a piccy of your dogs.... I love lurchers, leave out the bottled water and dog bowls though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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