Lonan3 Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 The choices offered assume that a sitting member will be elected and these are the ones with a realistic chance of success. Your votes and comments are invited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 I voted for JS because he is relatively young, intelligent, articulate and, it has to be said, Manx. It is not often that you have all attributes in the one candidate and I think he has the characteristics to be a true statesman and credible representative for the Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 I think the trouble with this poll is that the choice of Chief Minister is so shrouded in secrecy and organised via smoke filled rooms with back scratching, ego grooming and the placing of supporters in important jobs that it isn't accessable to us minions. I haven't got a clue who might be in the running for CM ... does anyone really have any idea on this one or are we all guessing? Go on John Shimmin, as a poster to this forum give us an insight ... even if its only into the process not the likely candidates ... are you privately canvased, or are alliances in the Keys etc openly known about? This is an important part of Manx politics in which the voter has almost no insight ... surely this isn't a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 I voted 'none of the above'. Sorry, but IMHO over a wide range of areas these guys will not cut the mustard and we will simply get more of the same. I want someone who will stand up for the island and who realises that we don't have to do everything England is currently doing. I think most of them are from the 'cut and paste' brigade and I am yet to be convinced. Anyone that says 'stop and think' has more chance of my vote. If one of them turns around and says 'well...actually...I'm going to undo some of this' has even more chance of my vote. I don't think many of our own politicians realise what a unique position we are in - and so miss so many opportunities. They have collectively sold us down the river this past five years. Why should everything be a fight when we are supposed to be an island 'team'? - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleur Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Donald Gelling - No. seems a safe pair of hands but I cannot accept anyone not elected by the public to have that level of authority. Tony Brown - No. Listening to radio coverage, I feel that Tony Brown doesn't always act fairly. Allan Bell - No. Non. Against. Never. Lest we forget. Mount Murray. David Cannan - No. Unfair maybe, but I just don't like the man. And that voice! I couldn't bear to listen to that more than we have to at the moment. Steve Rodan - Not sure about him yet. One to watch for the future perhaps. John Shimmin - Yes. I agree with Gladys and voted John Shimmin as he seems best of a mediocre bunch to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Because of the system pf government the CM should be chosen by means of an island wide election by the general public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Something needs to change in the way the CM is elected. But to what? Most important question to ask those knocking on our door for a vote over the coming months is "who would you vote to be the next CM?" Incidentally - and lest we forget - the MHK who received the most votes by far from the electorate at the last election was Peter Karran MHK for Onchan. The above poll might be fairer if all MHKs are listed, along with eligible MLCs (those who were previously elected as MHKs) MLCs: Pam Crowe Alex Downie - Minister Trade and Industry Donald Gelling Eddie Lowey Leonard Singer George Waft The above will be eligible for CM and do not have to go to the polls in November. MHKs: Allan Bell - Minister Treasury Anne Craine Eddie Teare David Cannan Hazel Hannan Steve Rodan - Minister Health and Social Security David Anderson - Minister Education Martyn Quayle Peter Karran Richard Corkill Adrian Earnshaw John Houghton Bill Henderson David Cretney - Minister Tourism and Leisure Adrian Duggan* Phil Braidwood - Minister Transport Brenda Cannell John Shimmin - Minister Home Affairs Dominic Delaney* Tony Brown Andrew Douglas John Rimington - Minister Local Government and the Environment Quintin Gill Phil Gawne - Minister Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry * those who have indicated to date that they will not be standing at the next election It is more than likely that some of the above MHKs will not be returned. It would be reasonable to elect a current Minister although this is not a necessity. Come November there should be some new faces in Tynwald and there is a possibility a new MHK could be voted as Chief Minister, although unlikely. Edited to add Ministries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckett Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 I voted 'none of the above'. Sorry, but IMHO over a wide range of areas these guys will not cut the mustard and we will simply get more of the same. I want someone who will stand up for the island and who realises that we don't have to do everything England is currently doing. I think most of them are from the 'cut and paste' brigade and I am yet to be convinced. Anyone that says 'stop and think' has more chance of my vote. If one of them turns around and says 'well...actually...I'm going to undo some of this' has even more chance of my vote. I don't think many of our own politicians realise what a unique position we are in - and so miss so many opportunities. They have collectively sold us down the river this past five years. Why should everything be a fight when we are supposed to be an island 'team'? - The last of our Island's worries are about copying the UK's legislation. Given the bills at the past two Tynwald days, this isn't really happening anyway? Our tarnished reputation is something that needs addressing the most IMHO, both for our international and local reputation. Mount Murray, MEA, Isle of Man Constabulary, our Chief Minister getting arrested! Scandal after scandal, and things that would make Ministers resign in any other parliamentary democracy, which brings me back to that old chesnut... consitutional reform. *sigh* Bare minimum, the CM should have to sit in the House of Keys. At the end of the day we as the electorate currently have no direct say or influence in Government Policy as the head of the Executive is unelected. Although at best, it's only been the people of Malew & Santon and Onchan that have enjoyed that privilege of late, but better than nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 Something needs to change in the way the CM is elected. But to what? Most important question to ask those knocking on our door for a vote over the coming months is "who would you vote to be the next CM?" Incidentally - and lest we forget - the MHK who received the most votes by far from the electorate at the last election was Peter Karran MHK for Onchan. The above poll might be fairer if all MHKs are listed, along with eligible MLCs (those who were previously elected as MHKs) MLCs: Pam Crowe Alex Downie - Minister Trade and Industry Donald Gelling Eddie Lowey Leonard Singer George Waft The above will be eligible for CM and do not have to go to the polls in November. MHKs: Allan Bell - Minister Treasury Anne Craine Eddie Teare David Cannan Hazel Hannan Steve Rodan - Minister Health and Social Security David Anderson - Minister Education Martyn Quayle Peter Karran Richard Corkill Adrian Earnshaw John Houghton Bill Henderson David Cretney - Minister Tourism and Leisure Adrian Duggan* Phil Braidwood - Minister Transport Brenda Cannell John Shimmin - Minister Home Affairs Dominic Delaney* Tony Brown Andrew Douglas John Rimington - Minister Local Government and the Environment Quintin Gill Phil Gawne - Minister Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry * those who have indicated to date that they will not be standing at the next election It is more than likely that some of the above MHKs will not be returned. It would be reasonable to elect a current Minister although this is not a necessity. Come November there should be some new faces in Tynwald and there is a possibility a new MHK could be voted as Chief Minister, although unlikely. Edited to add Ministries You forgot Clare Christian MLC or was she elected directly to MLC? Does being elected straight to MLC prevent you being made Chief Minister? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 The last of our Island's worries is about copying the UK's legislation. Our list of worries is not mutually exclusive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 You forgot Clare Christian MLC or was she elected directly to MLC? Does being elected straight to MLC prevent you being made Chief Minister? Clare Christian has been elected as an MHK (Ayre) for the term 1986-1991. She contested and lost her seat in the 1991 election. She was brought back into the fold as MLC in 1993 and placed there as an ordinary member of the public by the House of Keys, rather than elevate one of their sitting members. As such, because she is not a popularly elected member of Tynwald she would not be eligible for the post of Chief Minister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckett Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 You forgot Clare Christian MLC or was she elected directly to MLC? Does being elected straight to MLC prevent you being made Chief Minister? Clare Christian has been elected as an MHK (Ayre) for the term 1986-1991. She contested and lost her seat in the 1991 election. She was brought back into the fold as MLC in 1993 and placed there as an ordinary member of the public by the House of Keys, rather than elevate one of their sitting members. As such, because she is not a popularly elected member of Tynwald she would not be eligible for the post of Chief Minister. Are you sure? Gelling said he wouldn'd run for CM after the election, whereas this would imply that he couldn't seek another term as CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Donald Gelling was 'elevated' to the ranks of the Legislative Council from the House of Keys. The question of his eligibility was raised at the time of his election to Chief Minister when a replacement for Richard Corkill was required. The point being is that Donald Gelling became an MLC via his election to the House of Keys and as such was introduced to Tywnwald from a General Election. Clare Christian - and Dudley Butt - were elected to the Legislative Council straight from the ranks of the great unwashed (if they will excuse the turn of phrase) and as such would not be included in a ballot for the Chief Minister. Same goes for the Attorney General and Lord Bishop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckett Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Donald Gelling was 'elevated' to the ranks of the Legislative Council from the House of Keys. The question of his eligibility was raised at the time of his election to Chief Minister when a replacement for Richard Corkill was required. The point being is that Donald Gelling became an MLC via his election to the House of Keys and as such was introduced to Tywnwald from a General Election. Clare Christian - and Dudley Butt - were elected to the Legislative Council straight from the ranks of the great unwashed (if they will excuse the turn of phrase) and as such would not be included in a ballot for the Chief Minister. Same goes for the Attorney General and Lord Bishop. So whilst Christian had been an MHK, so wasn't at the time of her election to LegCo. I geddit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illiam Dhone Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 We should think who can be international and represent our small nation instead of focusing on the parish pump, which probably represents 200 people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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