lard Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Manx Radio News Maybe one day there will be a headline that says that the Cardiothoracic Centre, Broadgreen, Liverpool is doing less and less heart and lung operations. At present it is completing a huge extension. (I promise not to raise another smoking related thread for at least a week) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lectro Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 It says "an 11% drop in drink sales since lighting up was outlawed." It doesn't mention profits. The same thing happened in Ireland but the sale of pub food substantially increased and as a result profits went up overall. There is not a single poor publican in Ireland. The Irish VA came out with all those "smoking killing the trade" facts and they've been proved wrong. Perhaps the Govt sponsored TV adverts urging Scots to reduce their alcohol consumption has played a part in the decrease? Perhaps the crackdown on drink driving? Perhaps the fact that more and more people socialise at each others homes? Perhaps the fact that people are realising that drinks in pubs are far too expensive and that a trip to Tesco gets you more value for money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonan3 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I think it's reasonable to treat both the Irish 'success' and the Scottish 'failure' with an equal degree of suspicion. If pubs are being replaced by restaurants, or 'eateries' rather than fulfilling their traditional role as places to merely enjoy a drink, company and entertainment, then the legislation probably works. In other words, if we are willing to adopt a more continental approach rather than what we are accustomed to, then a ban on smoking is laudable. For traditionalists, however, the local pub is likely to be seen as a more restrictive and less welcoming place which will inevitably lead to increased off-licence sales. The suggestion that such a ban will make - or has made - a dramatic increase in the number of people giving up smoking is, IMO, nonsense. Smokers are (if you'll forgive the pun) a dying breed and continued education about the results of the habit is a better of way forward than legislation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theskeat Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Try and find a traditional pub in Ireland thats still open, Hens teeth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lard Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 Try and find a traditional pub in Ireland thats still open, Hens teeth The Wonderful Traditional Pub Brown stained ceilings that once were white, The beautiful Axminster carpet that has been used many thousands of times as an ashtray, Its carefully designed pattern intentional so as to adapt to the ciggie burns Of the spent addiction resolving implement that is the cigarette. The oft selfish smoker is too lazy and too pissed To find a purpose built implement to dispense of the tab That is the burning butt of their waste Hahghhh, hahggghhh, hacks the 'character' in the Traditional Pub Finding an opportunity to push a laugh The social interjection finished off with the obligatory hacking of a phlegm filled cough But what to do with the brown solid bile they have brought up? If on their hand - rub it on the seat It will make the 'Traditional' Pub even more 'Traditional' Or just swallow it, again And light another cigarette Again So gone are the haggard and craggy, grey skinned 'characters' - now coughing and Phlegming their way in their own pitiful hovels Where once they inhabited the 'Traditional Pub' Now they are gone and got rid, that sort o' 'character' in the Traditional Pub. Thank fuck. Lard aged forty something and ¾ and three pints of Okells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Now write one about the speed limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lard Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 'Twas on a dark, dark night Up on The Mountain I saw the speeding headlights approach In my doom, gloom and darkness From the very depths of my blackness and despair I had to end it all By stepping into the path of the speeding, needing, oncoming car Only to find it were a Honda and a Suzuki . . . . GSX-R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Try and find a traditional pub in Ireland thats still open, Hens teeth The Wonderful Traditional Pub Brown stained ceilings that once were white, The beautiful Axminster carpet that has been used many thousands of times as an ashtray, Its carefully designed pattern intentional so as to adapt to the ciggie burns Of the spent addict resolving implement that is the cigarette. Theskeat is qute correct. The smoking ban has had a major impact on the way Irish people socialise. Irish pubs and bars are rapidly becoming sanitised places to go for a meal rather than a place to drink and enjoy the crack. You may think this is a good thing. I think it is a bad thing. Im sure on this particular issue we will never have a consensus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lard Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 The smoking ban has had a major impact on the way Irish people socialise. Scouser Lou And Betsy too From that place that is Liverpool The real capital of Ireland The massive family once united In the family marriages That used to be just about every year But now they just give birth Gestation from the 'jigger' as they say over there The only time the family meet these days Is at the lung hossy up The 'Green All waiting their turn to see uncle Albert Or Joe, or Auntie Flo United, they listen to them cough That last piece of lung And watch the toothless craggy smile As they pass away The pain is now forgotten Even by those watching And crying And going for a smoke outside Ah well, the wake will be good And plenty of tabs there too no doubt Who's next to give the family party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lard Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 and on that note I'm off to the pub for some pints and some second hand reek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholmondley-Warner Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Try and find a traditional pub in Ireland thats still open, Hens teeth Bollocks, just been to Ireland and found plenty of pubs (traditional or otherwise) open and thriving, just like I did last year and the year before and the year before................ How refreshing to be actually able to enjoy the atmosphere which is unique to Irish pubs without being assaulted with a barrage of tobacco fumes. Good beer, good food and traditional music and friendly staff - although most seemed to be Polish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Try and find a traditional pub in Ireland thats still open, Hens teeth Bollocks, just been to Ireland and found plenty of pubs (traditional or otherwise) open and thriving, just like I did last year and the year before and the year before................ How refreshing to be actually able to enjoy the atmosphere which is unique to Irish pubs without being assaulted with a barrage of tobacco fumes. Good beer, good food and traditional music and friendly staff - although most seemed to be Polish! Yes? Well amazingly enough my Mother's family are Irish and I go there fairly regular to both Dublin and Cork. There is no way the pubs are the same as they were. The hallmark small friendly Irish pubs are disappearing apace and the bigger ones are transforming into sterile eating houses. There are still plenty of noisy shit holes catering for the "youth" market but that aint traditional Irish pubs. Things have changed. Some think for the better some think for the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholmondley-Warner Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Try and find a traditional pub in Ireland thats still open, Hens teeth Bollocks, just been to Ireland and found plenty of pubs (traditional or otherwise) open and thriving, just like I did last year and the year before and the year before................ How refreshing to be actually able to enjoy the atmosphere which is unique to Irish pubs without being assaulted with a barrage of tobacco fumes. Good beer, good food and traditional music and friendly staff - although most seemed to be Polish! Yes? Well amazingly enough my Mother's family are Irish and I go there fairly regular to both Dublin and Cork. There is no way the pubs are the same as they were. The hallmark small friendly Irish pubs are disappearing apace and the bigger ones are transforming into sterile eating houses. There are still plenty of noisy shit holes catering for the "youth" market but that aint traditional Irish pubs. Things have changed. Some think for the better some think for the worst. My wife is Irish and we go back to the Holy Ground several times a year, yes pubs there have changed in the same way as they have here, I do miss the Dogs Home and The Star in Douglas, but that's progress, as they say they say the only thing you can be sure of is change itself, but we still manage to find traditional pubs (some which have seen a lick of paint and some which haven't - in the last 30 years- Crowleys Bar in Kenmare being a favourite and in the latter category) 30 years ago the pubs didn't serve food and now they do, we still find the ones with Irish music and importantly the essential ingredient - Guinness - which is as good as ever. Personally I believe Irish pubs are the best in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lard Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 Well amazingly enough my Mother's family are Irish and I go there fairly regular to both Dublin and Cork.There is no way the pubs are the same as they were. The hallmark small friendly Irish pubs are disappearing apace and the bigger ones are transforming into sterile eating houses. There are still plenty of noisy shit holes catering for the "youth" market but that aint traditional Irish pubs. Things have changed. Some think for the better some think for the worst. Yeah but, yeah but, yeah but you could say that about anywhere couldn't you. Let's try Douglas. In the last ten years. The Oban? Nowhere better for a Sunday after hours pint. Gone. The Britannia? I bet there are no more than a handful of people on this forum ever been in there. But it's gone. OK, the Glencoe - best pub ever at TT/MGP time. Gone. The Douglas - a real pub with character? Well no, not at all but let's pretend it was. Gone. The Central, my very own local! Gone. The Beach. Gone. OK then, the Forresters. We all knew that one. Gone. And of course Bushy's. Gone. And do you know why? Because of the smoking ban. Blame everything on the smoking ban. This place is getting more like Russia every day the smookers say. So, all this crap about Ireland's pubs going down the swanney - ever heard of the Celtic Tiger? Educated people in the 21st century don't want to socialise in shitnae more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 Educated people in the 21st century don't want to socialise in shitnae more. Im not disagreeing with you. They did until the smoking ban though. Maybe the ban just gave a little impetus to changes which were coming along anyhow? Just to be more precise anyhow ... lets change your post to some educated people dont want to socialise in shitnaemore. Others have just stopped going out because of the ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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