Newsbot Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 There are no current plans to lower the drink drive limit for young drivers in the Isle of Man, the government says. Source : http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/world/...man/5351586.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxchatterbox Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 ...but why haven't you mentioned the discussions about a different sentencing policy such as introducing longer mandatory 10 year bans for under twenty fives caught drink driving??? eh guess you relied on a press release and didn't ask any follow up questions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 You do realise you are arguing with a robot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 arsecrab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 I think MCB is doing this on purpose, or else she never reads anything posted after her contributions. Anyhow, back to the thread. Did anyone else find it a little strange that the road safety officer (I think that was his title) was on MR yesterday talking authoritively about the DoT policy on this? We see many criticisms about Government being run by the civil servants rather than the politicians and it did strike me as a little strange that a civil servant should be the one promulgating policy rather than the Minister. I may be barking up the wrong tree, but you never see a civil servant being interviewed in the UK media about policy, possibly about implementation of a policy, but never as I can recall the policy itself; it is always a politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lard Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 A fair point, but the Minister for Transport isn't that popular with the public after the Speed Limit fiasco (yes, it was a fiasco) also our politicians are sort of on holiday just now, although I am not sure where the relevant Minister is just now. I would imagine the Civil Servants look forward to this time of year when they can let rip a bit without too much political interfence, especially with an election coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 If that is the case Lard, then surely he is acting beyond his powers? It does beg the question; is it policy or what the civil servants would like to see as policy? I have no particular axe to grind on this particular issue, other than drink drivers ought to be keel hauled and why should we have to wait until the UK introduce these laws in order to be 'consistent', can't we make our own minds up if this is a good idea or no? And who decided this policy? Was it the Minister, or a civil servant ? Really, my point is it does seem that 'policy' is being set by civil servants without reference to those who SHOULD be setting policy. Those who set the policy should announce it, then the civil servants should be explaining how they will implement that policy. It may be pendantry, but it is all too easy for the proper boundaries of who does what, can do what and is responsible for what, to become blurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Kerr Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 I have no particular axe to grind on this particular issue, other than drink drivers ought to be keel hauled and why should we have to wait until the UK introduce these laws in order to be 'consistent', can't we make our own minds up if this is a good idea or no? And who decided this policy? Was it the Minister, or a civil servant ? I have a problem with it. After the ludicrous situation over trying to force the all Island speed limit in on the grounds of "safety" I am amazed that an official goes public to say that it won't lower the drink-drive limit on safety grounds. Its like saying its ok if you are a bit pissed, but we'd prefer it if you don't speed (which is many times more likely to cause an accident than speed). It just shows an embarrasing lack of consistency. Finally Glady's don't forget the Minister is probably busy campaigning - he needs to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Politician Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Finally Glady's don't forget the Minister is probably busy campaigning - he needs to. Well, I certainly haven't seen hide or hair of him. Or of Mrs Cannell or either of our other candidates - people seem to be leaving things fairly late in Douglas East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonan3 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 The excuse (and that's exactly what it is!) is that the reciprocal agreement for bans makes it 'difficult to do other than accept the UK standrads on this issue. That seems utter nonsense to me - a ban for drink driving should be just that - a ban - regardless of whether it's because of exceeding a specified limit in either jurisdiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Kerr Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Well, I certainly haven't seen hide or hair of him. Or of Mrs Cannell or either of our other candidates - people seem to be leaving things fairly late in Douglas East. I'd count yourself as lucky. If they all turned up at once it would be like getting a visit from the Munsters. Then again, those swanky apartments aren't full of the traditional Manx voters they're looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxchatterbox Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 why does Tynwald and IOM Civil Service slavishly follow what the UK does and why don't they see what's done in say Ireland and use some of their legilsation as a building block for new legislation here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Simply because MCB, our legal system although separate from the UK is inextricably linked with it. Where do our appeal judges come from and where does our legislation go to for Royal assent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 You do realise you are arguing with a robot? Do you realize what you are arguing with ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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