Theskeat Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Tynwald was told last night that the Board of Education are to employ the services of a top UK Barrister to act for them against a Manx Family. The reason they gave was that it is CHEAPER to employ a UK Barrister than it was to employ a local run of the mill Advocate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skig Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Always thought that UK Barristers needed a licence to operate over here. If this is still the case, who issues such licences, and why, if suitable legal representation is available locally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholmondley-Warner Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 This comes as no surprise to me. I had to ask a Notary Public (who happens to be an Athol Street lawyer) to witness my signature on a document two weeks ago, all he had to do was watch me sign and then countersign to say that he had witnessed me signing, took all of two minutes, the cost?..............£100 +vat, I asked an English lawyer what their charges would be for the same thing, he said "no more than £25". A 7 day LBA (letter before action - to recover debt) here costs a minimum of £15.00 in England I can get it done for £1.50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hboy Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 This comes as no surprise to me. I had to ask a Notary Public (who happens to be an Athol Street lawyer) to witness my signature on a document two weeks ago, all he had to do was watch me sign and then countersign to say that he had witnessed me signing, took all of two minutes, the cost?..............£100 +vat, I asked an English lawyer what their charges would be for the same thing, he said "no more than £25". A 7 day LBA (letter before action - to recover debt) here costs a minimum of £15.00 in England I can get it done for £1.50. Ditto .... £250 per hour plus VAT to do a bit of convenancing thats done by a junior clerk. My bill here was over £2,000 in the UK it would have been no more than £400. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Ayres Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 According to reports there is no expertise in education law on the island, so how the F do the dept of Ed ever write a contract or employ anyone? UK lawyer will, inevidently, be cheaper anyway. As they will be sourced throug Atholl St we assume the bill will be immense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 According to reports there is no expertise in education law on the island, so how the F do the dept of Ed ever write a contract or employ anyone? Because that's covered by employment/contract law, of which there are plenty of practioners on the Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Ayres Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 I really can't be arsed to reply to such a predictable response. How many contract lawyers a square foot in Douglas? About as many as paving stones I imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 I'm not having ago. It's not a predictable response, it's a correct response. The Department of Transport don't need transport lawyers to employ people do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisner Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 A 7 day LBA (letter before action - to recover debt) here costs a minimum of £15.00 in England I can get it done for £1.50. In the Isle of Man there is no requirement for a Letter Before Action..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 I thought a LBA was just a final warning to someone that unless they addressed the issue the next thing would be a writ. Not sure if it is a legal requirement, but I suspect is probably a sign that all avenues have been exhausted and will stand you in good stead when taking formal action. Also, inthe UK your don't have to have a LBA written by a solicitor, (the small claims court is designed to allow people to pursue their own cases without using lawyers) although if the matter is complicated then it is as well to get a solicitor involved at that stage, if not earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Politician Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 I had to ask a Notary Public (who happens to be an Athol Street lawyer) to witness my signature on a document two weeks ago, all he had to do was watch me sign and then countersign to say that he had witnessed me signing, took all of two minutes, the cost?..............£100 +vat, I asked an English lawyer what their charges would be for the same thing, he said "no more than £25". How did that happen? My mum needed exactly the same service about a month back, and got the partner of an Athol Street firm to do it for her. The cost? A fiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 I'm sure that the notary who visits our offices only charges about Stg25 to notarise a document and that is him coming to us! Did you incur attendance time as well (i.e. did he give advice on the document)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugger Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 There is no requirement for an LBA anywhere, as I understand it. How any lawyer can make money writing a letter for £1.50, however, defeats me. Notarisation has a fixed fee scale I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 It is a free market, ring round for quotes. I am a memeber of the Notaries Society, they isssue guidance, I do most as a favour to individuals for a nominal amount and only charge commercial concerns. It should depend on what work is necessary. A Notary has to establish clients identity (original passport and utility bill)and keep copies for his record, he may have to draw up a Notarial Certificate, and if it is to be used abroad he may have to apply for an apopstille at the Registry under the Hague Convention. He must keep a copy of the document and number and index it in his records. It has to be kept permanently. He alos should have an index called a protocol in which he writes the deatils of who he saw and what type of document he witnessed or authenticated. Quite a palalver If you go prepared with your passport and the copies ready, with a certificate and if you take the form to be apostilled you can cut out 2/3rd time and cost. AS for Dept of Education they apply to the Deemster on notice to the law society, who can object, and to the other side, who can object. The grounds are no manx lawyer available no manx lawyer with the necessary expertise availble case especially complicated or long or onerous there is an appeal propcess to the Appeal Judge A barrister, licensed as temporary Manx Adviocate will not have ofice facilities of an Advocate or solicitor so the department will need to employ one or other to get things done and as the barrister will not know any Manx law itis convention he should appear with a Manx junior who can tell him what law is different. Using a temporary advocate will increase the costs if the matter goes to court, substantially. On the other hand using someone to advise about an archane and obscure area of law no one ever uses, but in which he has immersed himself for years as a specialist can save time, costs and even proceedings themselves. There is bound to be someone of that nature with a deep knopwledge if the english situation and to ask their advice you don't need to licence them. As for conveyancing costs I bet the bill included the Goivernment fee for Deed registartion at £3.50 per 1,000 of purchase price, so on a £200k house that would be £700. What would stamp duty be in England. Again ring for a quote, they will be given and there are firms which are competitive. As for letters before action you can do yourself. If you don't do one you may lose your case opr not get costs. A claim in IOM and England should say "which despite demand the defendant has not paid", or similar. You can issue and represent yourself in small calims in IOM. Is £15 for a letter before action a lot? Advocate has to satisfy himself of your identity, KYC stuff, take your instructions and read any papers to check it is a good claim. Thats half an hour of anyones time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallybug Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 As for conveyancing costs I bet the bill included the Goivernment fee for Deed registartion at £3.50 per 1,000 of purchase price, so on a £200k house that would be £700. What would stamp duty be in England. 1% so £2,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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