quilp Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, P.K. said: NFC - I can't remember. Having a bit of a mare today. Sorry. Actually, my bad, it is obliquely relevant in that the attack on Halabja was, throughout the ninties, based on a lie promoted by the CIA/State department that Iran carried out the attack and not Saddam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Guilty until proven innocent. That's where Russia stands, accused and publicly vilified for an as-yet unproven act and a complete reversal of the most basic tenets of British criminal law... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, woody2 said: you can park it anywhere you like, it doesn't change the fact the uk doesn't buy gas direct from russia.... its an easy concept...... Actually that’s not true. This winter, and last, LNG was shipped in, direct from Russia, when UK stocks were dangerously low (UK has got rid of substantial storage capacity ). Bought from Russia, shipped from Russia, no middle men or countries en route. As I observed above, always a tiny kernel of something in a woody2 fake fact, but it’s so wrapped up in distortion, spin, misdirection, smoke and mirrors, to try and prove the exact opposite for his own perverse propaganda ends, and when caught out, as he usually is, he changes one or two words and pretends he meant something else entirely and that we’ve all misunderstood him. So W2, lets get it right, it’s from the Yamal Gas field in Siberia, operated by Novatek ( which has French and Chinese partners, but is controlled by long time Putin ally Gennady Timchenko ). I accept the LNG was sold by the Russians to Petronas of Malaysia, who sold it on, but it was shipped in, and delivered from a russian owned and operated ice breaker class LNG tanker Eduard Toll. The involvement of the French ( Total ) and Chinese in Novatek doesn’t make the Gas French or Chinese, nor does the involvement of Petronas make it Malay. It’s Russian Gas, from Russian Gas fields, shipped in Russian tankers, whatever way the money goes round. Theres a world market in LNG and Petronas have a trading/brokerage arm in London. Yamal only started to deliver Gas in December 2017. Huge irony is that a remote Siberian Gas field, until then only a domestic supplier, now, due to global warming ( however caused ), can now send it in boats via the Northern Passage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 13 minutes ago, quilp said: the most basic tenets of British criminal law... Presumably the govt is acting from an intelligence perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, pongo said: Presumably the govt is acting from an intelligence perspective. As history has proven, that's not always an indicator of proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 18 minutes ago, John Wright said: Actually that’s not true. This winter, and last, LNG was shipped in, direct from Russia, when UK stocks were dangerously low (UK has got rid of substantial storage capacity ). Bought from Russia, shipped from Russia, no middle men or countries en route. It was also personal seen by Vlad loading, and waved away by Vlad as it left the terminal. One could assume waving a cheery bon voyage to its contents .. LNG and other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 You can presume all you want, the facts as they stand remain unconvincing. 9 minutes ago, pongo said: Presumably the govt is acting from an intelligence perspective. As with Iraqi WMD's, presumably. That's how the road to war was paved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Are you privy to the facts, or presuming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 30 minutes ago, pongo said: Presumably the govt is acting from an intelligence perspective. Maybe someone should tell the police that are still investigating it. Anyway, boris has said it's almost certain putin ordered it. Which now gives our balanced and fair media carte blanche to repeat over and over again until it is not even questioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 things. 1. I'm presuming 2. I'm not entirely sure what carte blanche means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I think she was in the Golden Girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 39 minutes ago, Mr. Sausages said: Are you privy to the facts, or presuming? The only facts are that this group of nerve-agents was developed by Russian technicians in the 70's, 80's and 90's. That it was distributed by the then regime to other states within the USSR, as it was during the 'Cold War.' That three people were poisoned by a similar nerve-agent by a person or persons unknown. No witnesses. No official confirmation of origin from Porton Down. Now presumably, when western intelligence sources revealed information of the Russians' research into this group of nerve-agents, Porton Down would very probably have produced their own, chemically-identical version to investigate possible counter-measures against its use and reducing its efficacy, along with the Yanks. It's a construct. That's not a fact but a presumption... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Are you privy to all the facts or presuming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Is this thread going to be riddled with your almost remotely funny one-liners from now on? You know, the sort of shit you spout when you'd like to contribute but really don't have anything to say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 It is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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