the stinking enigma Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 worthy of sun himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: to call this guy a russian spy is rather a misleading misnomer. surely he was a british spy? He was both. Hence his predicament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 so why is everybody refering to him as a russian spy? was kim philby regarded as a british spy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 A jolly bad egg, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woke Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, the stinking enigma said: to call this guy a russian spy is rather a misleading misnomer. surely he was a british spy? Who are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 To the british spy sergey skripal of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 8 hours ago, the stinking enigma said: so why is everybody refering to him as a russian spy? was kim philby regarded as a british spy? That’s what the Moscow Times calls him. When in Rome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 9 hours ago, the stinking enigma said: to call this guy a russian spy is rather a misleading misnomer. surely he was a british spy? doley would be more accurate...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 22 hours ago, woolley said: What would Russia have to gain by doing this right now? Woolley, is there ever a right time to do this? I think “why now” it is just as easily explained as this is when this particular piece of gristle reached the maw of Putin’s mincer than searching for some astrological significance. I don’t think the Israelis plan their executive actions to any political timetable and nor do the Russians (or anyone else for that matter). They found him they did him that is what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 14 minutes ago, Chinahand said: They found him they did him that is what they do. Quite an accomplishment seeing as he lived openly for many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Yep,because the truth in the murky world of espionage is normally emblazoned across every front page in the country. Point is who knows. He could have continued working with MI6 and then they had their mates in the CIA bump him off to tie up the loose end and then instruct their pals in the media to issue an unofficial cover story to be fed to the public, which conforms to the narrative we're seeing within the west of Russia = bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 4 hours ago, Lxxx said: Yep,because the truth in the murky world of espionage is normally emblazoned across every front page in the country. Point is who knows. He could have continued working with MI6 and then they had their mates in the CIA bump him off to tie up the loose end and then instruct their pals in the media to issue an unofficial cover story to be fed to the public, which conforms to the narrative we're seeing within the west of Russia = bad. That post needs more lizards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 5 hours ago, Chinahand said: Woolley, is there ever a right time to do this? They found him they did him that is what they do. Of course there is never a right time in that sense, BUT, he wasn't hidden. You cannot make your final assertion with confidence because you don't know that it is so. They could have done this any time in the last 8 years. They could have simply made him disappear without the adverse diplomatic reaction and possible trade and sanctions hassle. There are plenty of other Russian nationals abroad opposed to Putin. Why him? Why by this method? What has he been up to in the meantime? All I am saying is that there is much more to this than meets the eye and we don't have sufficient information to believe one group of shadowy operatives over another. I never blindly believe anybody about anything unless I have proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Lxxx said: He could have continued working with MI6 and then they had their mates in the CIA bump him off to tie up the loose end and then instruct their pals in the media to issue an unofficial cover story to be fed to the public, which conforms to the narrative we're seeing within the west of Russia = bad. The damage done to MI6's reputation for looking after its agents by this hit isn't insignificant - if you are a foreigner thinking of helping that polite young Brit who's been buying you drinks for a while you are going to think about the consequences. Spooks look after their agents Do you really think they publicly bump them off and happily spread the belief that their agents will be unsafe in retirement from the governments they have been persuaded to betray? That would be a bit of an own goal don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Lxxx said: Yep,because the truth in the murky world of espionage is normally emblazoned across every front page in the country. Point is who knows. He could have continued working with MI6 and then they had their mates in the CIA bump him off to tie up the loose end and then instruct their pals in the media to issue an unofficial cover story to be fed to the public, which conforms to the narrative we're seeing within the west of Russia = bad. That’s because Russia is bad. It’s a criminal state run by criminals for the benefit of criminals. Putin is a pitiless autocrat who dominates by fear and repression. Political rivals are imprisoned on trivial or falsified charges. Russian foreign policy is predicated expressly on destabilising western democracies, which are despised. Russia is an enemy of western freedom and will, without doubt, be responsible for the attempted murder of Skripal and his daughter. Their denials are as false as everything else uttered by the Kremlin. Russia is not to be trusted in any respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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