Lxxx Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 He's a right one this Vladimir isn't he. Just ahead of the Russian elections and the World Cup he decides to go on a very public killing spree and get rid of a guy he could have bumped off quite discreetly at any time over the past eight years. Some people just can't bloody help themselves can they. I bet his mum has given him a right rollicking over it, could've walked the election and had a great year if he would've shown some restraint. Idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Lxxx said: He's a right one this Vladimir isn't he. Just ahead of the Russian elections and the World Cup he decides to go on a very public killing spree and get rid of a guy he could have bumped off quite discreetly at any time over the past eight years. Some people just can't bloody help themselves can they. I bet his mum has given him a right rollicking over it, could've walked the election and had a great year if he would've shown some restraint. Idiot. It was deliberately done very publicly. Because it sends a very strong message to anyone contemplating the same thing that you can run, but you can't hide. Even in one of the most "watched" states on the planet we can act with impunity. Besides the Russians have always liked having a "strong" figurehead so it's probably boosted his election chances - like he was ever going to lose.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paswt Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, x-in-man said: It was America that did it. Russian elections soon, smear Vlad to shift the ever increasing focus off the Vlad/Trump thing. Vlad goes into hiding, leaves the Country, has plastic surgery and becomes Trumps advisor. If this such a 'smart' nerve agent, how come it was so quickly identified and traces of it found all round the area, with only 3 ill. Targeted yes, at a credible person, with just a little bit extra, to ensure it is spread about a bit to ensure it was found and identified so a finger could be pointed. God, I miss Spooks on the BBC, the writers could have had a field day with this. Fair point, but why should anyone believe any politician about anything ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, P.K. said: The rise of these crimes in the UK directly correlates with the reduction of police numbers and therefore effectiveness. Apart from hate crimes which really took off on the Brexit result. Sad but true. no reduction of police numbers has happened, they have just been moved to other agency's..... we had dinner last week with a specialist officer, they only carry out armed raids and nothing else, around 3-4 per shift, they are no longer classed as police..... prostitution, drugs,immigration or terrorism is the areas they deal with, those arrested are either muslims or eastern europeans...... they did say people would sh1t themselves if the media started reporting how big the problems are.... hate crime is playground stuff according to them..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 ..or maybe it was the UK that did it, just down the road from the place that identified it, quickly, and dealt with it. May needing NATO support, and defence allies, takes an eye off Brexit, 'look at us, we look like an easy target' or are we soon to become Trumpville, with trade free steel exports to the US and US defence contracts for the signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 17 minutes ago, P.K. said: It was deliberately done very publicly. Because it sends a very strong message to anyone contemplating the same thing that you can run, but you can't hide. Even in one of the most "watched" states on the planet we can act with impunity. Besides the Russians have always liked having a "strong" figurehead so it's probably boosted his election chances - like he was ever going to lose.... You cannot assert this with any confidence. It just doesn't make any sense at all. Putin is smart. This isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, woolley said: You cannot assert this with any confidence. It just doesn't make any sense at all. Putin is smart. This isn't. There's precedence with Markov and Litvinenko and from Putin's perspective it's the only way to go. Why abandon a methodology that clearly works and gives you the result you want....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 25 minutes ago, P.K. said: It was deliberately done very publicly. Because it sends a very strong message to anyone contemplating the same thing that you can run, but you can't hide. Even in one of the most "watched" states on the planet we can act with impunity. Besides the Russians have always liked having a "strong" figurehead so it's probably boosted his election chances - like he was ever going to lose.... At a time when he has enough on his plate giving NATO a bloody nose in Syria he decides to open up another theatre and risk a diplomatic shitstorm while trying to host a World Cup, navigate an election and still bat off the ludicrous claims of the US establishment in election meddling. Doesn't help himself then does he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Ultimately May is a mouse squeaking at the Elephant. She make all the grand speeches and make all the ultimatums under the sun, the UK is beneath the attention of Putin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, P.K. said: There's precedence with Markov and Litvinenko and from Putin's perspective it's the only way to go. Why abandon a methodology that clearly works and gives you the result you want....? You think this is the result putin wants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lxxx said: At a time when he has enough on his plate giving NATO a bloody nose in Syria he decides to open up another theatre and risk a diplomatic shitstorm while trying to host a World Cup, navigate an election and still bat off the ludicrous claims of the US establishment in election meddling. Doesn't help himself then does he? Sure but being 100% certain it was the Russians is a million miles away from proving it was them. So punitive action against Russia has no legitimacy in law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, the stinking enigma said: You think this is the result putin wants? No. He almost certainly signed it off and the agency who committed the act chose an extremly embarrassing time to carry it out. In all large organisations shit happens.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Giving the myriad ways this could have been done in a much quieter and "cleaner" fashion, this attempt seems so ham fisted and over the top its almost as if it was the plan of an overly theatrical Bond villain. Like "suiciding" him and having him stuff himself into a locked suitcase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 18 minutes ago, P.K. said: Apart from hate crimes which really took off on the Brexit result. The reporting of hate-crimes has become a political tool. What constitutes hate-crime sits now even more comfortably under the ever-widening umbrella of appropriation and advantage for certain political and ideological ends. One NGO group was recently roundly criticised for inflating its 'research' and figures: raising its profile and garnering sympathy for its social group by adopting the language and stance of victimhood, a tactic becoming more commonplace in our culture and one which plays upon some liberal notion of fake, enforced tolerance through appeasement by alluding to the projection of historical 'crimes' like colonialism and some vague white-supremacist notion thrown in to cower society and authority from speaking out. It's a very effective and convincing tool in the hands of the unscrupulous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, quilp said: The reporting of hate-crimes has become a political tool. What constitutes hate-crime sits now even more comfortably under the ever-widening umbrella of appropriation and advantage for certain political and ideological ends. One NGO group was recently roundly criticised for inflating its 'research' and figures: raising its profile and garnering sympathy for its social group by adopting the language and stance of victimhood, a tactic becoming more commonplace in our culture and one which plays upon some liberal notion of fake, enforced tolerance through appeasement by alluding to the projection of historical 'crimes' like colonialism and some vague white-supremacist notion thrown in to cower society and authority from speaking out. It's a very effective and convincing tool in the hands of the unscrupulous. So you are saying that there wasn't a uprising of hate crimes post Brexit? Even the Home Office acknowledges this to be true. We live in world where the in post Brexit Britain someone tried to make "Punish a Muslim Day" a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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