lard_II Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Like many past deemsters he took up the post of Attorney General prior to becoming second deemster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxchatterbox Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 And Mr Teare has been promoted, apparently in spite of his alleged indiscretion, to the department with some of the most intractable problems, Ramsey Cottage Hospital, waiting lists, dental service and pensions. Me thinks HMAG WJHC QC protests too much. If someone claims expenses knowing they are not entitled that is a criminal act (I do not refer to anyone, just an exercise in theoretical criminal law). A later offer to pay back may mitigate the sentence on conviction but it does not alter the crime. The same with a building grant me thinks as well. The MEA wanted to see about prosecuting a former member(s) (I do not suggest they are guilty) but apparently the AG's chambers have negotiated an payback deal in return for not prosecuting. The MEA chairman speaks out and the AG sulks. Maybe Mr Brown should be looking at replacing someone else. Does the AG stay in post till a retirement age? or is it a post that's renewable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lard_II Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 When one of the other judiciary dies/retires/resigns they do a bit of shuffling about/promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxchatterbox Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 so the AG job is a job for life?? does the job holder get performance appraisals? is it a job that's going to be evaluated for performance related pay and if not why not or if it is who is going to set the performance targets ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lard_II Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Remember....the judiciary are untouchable by MHKs. They are untouchable by Tynwald. They are quite literally a law unto themselves, with perhaps a bit of lip service to Lord Falconer and his Department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian rush Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Like many past deemsters he took up the post of Attorney General prior to becoming second deemster When one of the other judiciary dies/retires/resigns they do a bit of shuffling about/promotion. lard_II - new and improved with a wider spout and extra shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lard_II Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Hmmm... we'll see about that our Ian - watch this space!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxchatterbox Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 so if one of the judiciary is incompetent how are they removed? surely public opinion and or a vote of no confidence must have some bearing?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 so if one of the judiciary is incompetent how are they removed? surely public opinion and or a vote of no confidence must have some bearing?? They have proved tima and time again that public opinion is of no interest to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lard_II Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Like many past deemsters he took up the post of Attorney General prior to becoming second deemster When one of the other judiciary dies/retires/resigns they do a bit of shuffling about/promotion. lard_II - new and improved with a wider spout and extra shite Mike Kerruish was Attorney General prior to becoming Second Deemster. He became Attorney General because the previous incumbent - Thomas William Cain - had himself been promoted to Second Deemster. In connection with the above, the Second Deemster vacancy for TW Cain happened when the then Second Deemster Henry William Callow retired - 30th September 1993. Now, going back a few years, TW Cain took over the post of Attorney General in 1980. He took over from John William Corrin because JW Corrin had been promoted to.....you guessed it Second Deemster. Shall I continue? Perhaps a little bit more then:- John William Corrin became Attorney General after Arthur Christian Luft vacated the position. Why did Arthur Christian Luft vacate the position of Attorney General ? To become Second Deemster. Much can be read into this brief history lesson, but that should do ye for now. Edited to say that I am taking the huff, until Ian Rush apologises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxchatterbox Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 maybe the attention of granny Elizabeth by way of a letter drawing attention to the sitaution would cause her to invoke the Lord Chamberlain to do something for fear of being dragged into disrepute... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 maybe the attention of granny Elizabeth by way of a letter drawing attention to the sitaution would cause her to invoke the Lord Chamberlain to do something for fear of being dragged into disrepute... What a silly post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf Posted December 18, 2006 Author Share Posted December 18, 2006 so if one of the judiciary is incompetent how are they removed? surely public opinion and or a vote of no confidence must have some bearing?? They have proved tima and time again that public opinion is of no interest to them. Surely the AG isnt a member of the judiciary. Judiciary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lard_II Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 AG listed under the "Isle of Man Judiciary and Law Officers" First Deemster & Clerk of the Rolls Second Deemster (acting Deemster panel) Judge of Appeal High Bailiff Deputy High Bailiff - Her MAjesty's Attorney General Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian rush Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 lard_II, I hold my hands up for mis-construing the reference to ‘past’ in the lee side of an excessively festive weekend and Monday evening. However, I don’t think it necessarily follows in this day and age that it’s simply a case of ‘shuffling about’. Promotion, yes, but shuffling, no. Also, is there any better way than to progress up through the ranks, given the need to be familiar with the Island’s laws, Courts, legislature and executive? First Deemster is also notionally significant constitutional role (deputy Governor) and I for one am glad it’s held by a Manxman and likely to be so to at least the mid-term future, rather than have someone from off-Island parachuted in. I’m not sure you’re right to say a Deemster (or Judge in the UK) cannot be removed, as I suspect they hold office under some arcane phraseology such as at “her Majesty’s pleasure”. Certainly it’s correct that the legislature can’t remove judges. It’s believed that one of the tenets of a mature constitution that legislature, executive and judiciary are separate so that they act as checks and balances. However, the role of the AG, esp. in the IoM as a member of the upper house of the legislature causes some problems*. This is equally a problem in the UK, e.g. the unholy whiff being given off by the SFO investigation into BAe being put off in the interest of diplomatic relations. Finally, I would say sorry, but I do rather like your new sig ;-) * getting back on thread at last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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