lfc84 Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 http://www.iomonline.co.im/ViewArticle2.as...ticleID=2023092 Story dated 07 February 2007..... If this piece was written by IOMSP Co then surley it should be re-written in light of the weekend's events. If it was written by a 'journalist' sorry reporter at IOM Newspapers then they clearly need to do their exams again and go back to schoool....... "Mrs Royston is currently undergoing the final stages of her training on the Sea Express — specific familiarisation for this vessel." LAURIE'S SET TO TAKE THE HELM A MARRIED couple who have worked for the Steam Packet for 10 years have qualified as chief engineer and master. James and Laurie Royston, both 33, have worked in the shipping industry since 1992. After meeting at marine college in South Shields they went on to gain experience and qualifications in their different disciplines. Mrs Royston is currently undergoing the final stages of her training on the Sea Express — specific familiarisation for this vessel. During this period she is assessed by an instructor and examiner before she is finally allowed to captain a vessel alone. It is hoped that once this training is complete she will take the helm as the first woman captain at the Steam Packet. She said: 'I'm proud to have achieved this — and James to have received his certification as chief engineer. 'Not many women achieve it — and I didn't realistically think that I would be one of them.' Mrs Royston did her cadetship with P&O Containers for five years and travelled to the Far East, Australia and New Zealand. Following this she qualified in 1996 as Officer of the Watch and joined the Steam Packet in 1997. 'As a teenager I wanted to join the police but was too young at 17. I was advised to to get some experience through joining the forces and thought about the Royal Navy for a while. 'After visiting a careers fair I met a merchant navy representative and thought this would be a better option. 'The training and exams have been a real challenge and intensive — but have proved to be very rewarding and worthwhile to us both.' The couple who live in Onchan will soon celebrate their 10th wedding anniversary with a three-week trip to the Maldives. 07 February 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith lard Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 The only gripe I had about my return journey as a foot passenger (scheduled for Sunday 1900) was that the replacement bus to link up with the 0215 from Heysham left Liverpool at 1815. I think many people would perhaps have preferred a later arrival at Heysham Port, which isn't exactly full of things to do / places to eat / entertain kids with. As it was, I paid for the last train from my mate's in s. Manchester up to Lancaster and got a taxi through just before midnight rather than hang round at the Port for four or five hours. I'm in the same situation this weekend, thats why i'm having to pay an extra £88 to take the car now, and change to come back at 14.15 on Sunday. It's 10 years since i've had the misfortune of being stuck in Heysham, i doubt much has changed in 10 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Passengers struggling to put on their life jackets? I`m sure staff demonstrate this clearly on how to put the life jackets on just before the boats sails,but I guess most didn`t bother watching. Maybe we all will in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 All the talk in the press and media has been about "finding whose to blame", surely we should be establishing what happened and finding out who was responsible. If we go looking for blame. silence will ensue. As for suing, well that's today's culture for you. Surely accidents can still happen? And yes before anyone asks I was on the cat, well done to the crew, it is unfortunate that the training doesn't employ actors who are stubborn, make lots of noise and generally behave like most people do in that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 i am an animal lover (well i hate cats). i was simply saying that people arn't stupid, I'm sure the steam packet has got the animals. this is a very slow moving situation, they will have saved them. Apparently, there were a couple of horses on board as well - both were rescued and are said to be in a stable condition. /I'll get my coat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian rush Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Here's what the AIS site shows as happening - the description of the manoeuvres required to get into the Alaska Rainbow into dock have come from a mate of mine who is in the IoM shipping society (or a similarly named group). Hopefully all the links work.... The tide is running from top to bottom (i.e. coming in). The Alaska Rainbow is trying to get into the dock to the left of the Switzer Bidston, the Alfred Dock Map of Alfred Dock http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?cli...;multimap.y=168 11:10 http://www.aisliverpool.org.uk/historymap....p;date=20070203 To do that turn into the Alfred Dock, the tugs and the Alaska Rainbow have to turn in against the tide to stop the ship/tugs 'running away' with the tide as they turn into a narrow dock. So rather than simply sail in from New Brighton and turn right, they have to go past the dock, turn round in the river and then go back on themselves to make it a left turn. 11.20 http://www.aisliverpool.org.uk/historymap....p;date=20070203 Everying seems to be going to plan... 11.30 http://www.aisliverpool.org.uk/historymap....p;date=20070203 For whatever reason the turn into the Alfred Dock has been aborted and the tugs and the Alaska Rainbow have gone out into the middle of the river and are sailing against the tide. 11.40 http://www.aisliverpool.org.uk/historymap....p;date=20070203 Bosh + 2minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Ayres Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Sue for what exactly? (why is it called 'sue') They got us to Liverpool more or less on time. We were catered for while waiting for onward movement. Maybe the delay could have cost some expence for some people, don't know. I had to get more credit for my phone because of all the calls I needed to make delaying things. Needed to buy supplies, shaving kit, toothbrush etc.. Suffered anxiety on the return and did have some not too pleasent moments during the first couple of nights. How do you put a price on that against being alive and kicking still. The Steamie didn't do anything on purpose leading to the crash, they may be totally innocent, we will find out eventually. Until the results are in we should be thankful we are still here and able to write this stuff. Do the maths, no contest really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feelslikeitshould Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Sue for what exactly?....The Steamie didn't do anything on purpose leading to the crash.... In this day and age, you don't have to do anything on purpose to be liable. I do agree that it's a bit over the top to sue them but ever since compensation events became a business for some that's the way things go. You can just imagine the claims list some people might draw up "1 cup of coffee spilt, £1.45. Coat ruined by coffee £160. Cost of phone calls made to IOM numbers from UK on MT mobile £250. Trauma of sitting in Heysham for 5 hours, £500" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempus Fugit Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Here's what the AIS site shows as happening - the description of the manoeuvres required to get into the Alaska Rainbow into dock have come from a mate of mine who is in the IoM shipping society (or a similarly named group). Hopefully all the links work.... The tide is running from top to bottom (i.e. coming in). The Alaska Rainbow is trying to get into the dock to the left of the Switzer Bidston, the Alfred Dock Map of Alfred Dock http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?cli...;multimap.y=168 11:10 http://www.aisliverpool.org.uk/historymap....p;date=20070203 To do that turn into the Alfred Dock, the tugs and the Alaska Rainbow have to turn in against the tide to stop the ship/tugs 'running away' with the tide as they turn into a narrow dock. So rather than simply sail in from New Brighton and turn right, they have to go past the dock, turn round in the river and then go back on themselves to make it a left turn. 11.20 http://www.aisliverpool.org.uk/historymap....p;date=20070203 Everying seems to be going to plan... 11.30 http://www.aisliverpool.org.uk/historymap....p;date=20070203 For whatever reason the turn into the Alfred Dock has been aborted and the tugs and the Alaska Rainbow have gone out into the middle of the river and are sailing against the tide. 11.40 http://www.aisliverpool.org.uk/historymap....p;date=20070203 Bosh + 2minutes this one tells a lot too http://www.aisliverpool.org.uk/shiptrail.p...p;date=20070203 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 In this day and age, you don't have to do anything on purpose to be liable. You've never had to do something on purpose to be liable. Liability is a result of negligence. In almost every accident there is negligence involved. We'll have to wait and see who was negligent in this case. The only circumstances I've ever heard of where there was an accident and no liability attached, was when the driver of a HGV had a heart attack on a motor way, crossed into oncoming traffic and wiped out another HGV. As he had no history of heart problems, he hadn't been negligent, and the insurers didn't pay out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonan3 Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 According to IoMToday, Hamish Ross said the ferry company was looking for a suitable craft to stand in for the Sea Express following the collision.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatopian Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Here's what the AIS site shows as happening - the description of the manoeuvres required to get into the Alaska Rainbow into dock have come from a mate of mine who is in the IoM shipping society (or a similarly named group). Hopefully all the links work.... The tide is running from top to bottom (i.e. coming in). The Alaska Rainbow is trying to get into the dock to the left of the Switzer Bidston, the Alfred Dock Map of Alfred Dock http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?cli...;multimap.y=168 11:10 http://www.aisliverpool.org.uk/historymap....p;date=20070203 To do that turn into the Alfred Dock, the tugs and the Alaska Rainbow have to turn in against the tide to stop the ship/tugs 'running away' with the tide as they turn into a narrow dock. So rather than simply sail in from New Brighton and turn right, they have to go past the dock, turn round in the river and then go back on themselves to make it a left turn. 11.20 http://www.aisliverpool.org.uk/historymap....p;date=20070203 Everying seems to be going to plan... 11.30 http://www.aisliverpool.org.uk/historymap....p;date=20070203 For whatever reason the turn into the Alfred Dock has been aborted and the tugs and the Alaska Rainbow have gone out into the middle of the river and are sailing against the tide. 11.40 http://www.aisliverpool.org.uk/historymap....p;date=20070203 Bosh + 2minutes http://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php...mp;#entry217007 No reply from the webmaster - guess I can't get finer granularity around the time of the collision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman8180 Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 According to IoMToday, Hamish Ross said the ferry company was looking for a suitable craft to stand in for the Sea Express following the collision.... Au Contraire! The grapevine rumbles that it is actually going to be this one: Well, for TT anyway, the SeaFrance Renoir. More HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Here's what the AIS site shows as happening - the description of the manoeuvres required to get into the Alaska Rainbow into dock have come from a mate of mine who is in the IoM shipping society (or a similarly named group). Hopefully all the links work.... The tide is running from top to bottom (i.e. coming in). The Alaska Rainbow is trying to get into the dock to the left of the Switzer Bidston, the Alfred Dock Map of Alfred Dock http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?cli...;multimap.y=168 11:10 http://www.aisliverpool.org.uk/historymap....p;date=20070203 To do that turn into the Alfred Dock, the tugs and the Alaska Rainbow have to turn in against the tide to stop the ship/tugs 'running away' with the tide as they turn into a narrow dock. So rather than simply sail in from New Brighton and turn right, they have to go past the dock, turn round in the river and then go back on themselves to make it a left turn. 11.20 http://www.aisliverpool.org.uk/historymap....p;date=20070203 Everying seems to be going to plan... 11.30 http://www.aisliverpool.org.uk/historymap....p;date=20070203 For whatever reason the turn into the Alfred Dock has been aborted and the tugs and the Alaska Rainbow have gone out into the middle of the river and are sailing against the tide. 11.40 http://www.aisliverpool.org.uk/historymap....p;date=20070203 Bosh + 2minutes http://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php...mp;#entry217007 No reply from the webmaster - guess I can't get finer granularity around the time of the collision A general question, why on this website does the Sea Express seem to only show up on the maps at the time of the moment of collision? i.e. I can't see her from 11:30 till near the time of the collision, whereas I can see the Alaska Rainbow in most views (Looking at the times 11:31, 11;32, 11:33 to 11:36). Am I doing something wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copycat Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 notice the Seacat in the birkenhead dock. suppose the SPCo haven't any news on the fitting of a new gearbox. typical lack of information - sack the P R person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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