Rog Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, Chinahand said: Rog you don’t get it. The trade in oil could have been in peanuts: that isn’t the issue. The issue is once you are drowning in peanuts what do you do with them? at the time, Something like 80% of investable assets were dollar denominated. All trading oil in peanuts would do is result in a need to convert them to dollars to buy something useful. Hence oil was dollar denominated to cut out the currency exchange. OPEC needed dollars to invest their profits, not to buy oil with. Why to turn paper money into real assets. But because of this it was easier to price in dollars than peanuts. Saudi in effect bought a treaty with the USA that gave them protection by America at no cost other than use their power in the OPEC cartel to ensure that the $us would suddenly increase in value by the only currency in which oil could be traded in was the $us. In this way the $us became the defacto global reserve currency because those who wanted to buy oil HAD to buy in $us thus creating what we now know as the Petrodollar. What the oil producing nations did with the dollars was entirely up to them of course. What is rather fun to watch is the performance of the dollar in terms of the IMF SDR's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushen Spy Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 6 hours ago, Manximus Aururaneus said: It is not just the US that has issues with Soleimani (though he was designated to have 'terrorist' status by them as early as 2005. His name was also spray painted on the US embassy in Baghdad by his followers who attacked it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 So. Graffiti by proxy. I didn't realise he'd gone that far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chinahand said: Things are more complex than you claim. Yes, Pence got the numbers wrong, but the official conclusions of the 911 commission include these statements: Turabi sought to persuade Shiites and Sunnis to put aside their divisions and join against a common enemy. In late 1991 or 1992, discussions in Sudan between al Qaeda and Iranian operatives led to an informal agreement to cooperate in providing support - even if only training - for actions carried out primarily against Israel and the United States. Not long afterwards, senior al Qaeda operatives and trainers traveled to Iran to receive training in explosives. pdf page 78 and We now have evidence suggesting that 8 to 10 of the 14 Saudi "muscle" operatives traveled into or out of Iran between October 2000 and February 2001 pdf p257 Iran supports and funds Hamas even though it is Sunni and Hezbollah has contacts with Sunni groups too. One of the splits between al Qaeda and ISIS was ISIS's slaughtering of Shias which the al Qaeda leadership disagreed with. Al Qaeda worked with and trained with Shia groups funded by Iran. None of these groups are monolithic and their interactions are complex, but Iran sponsors terrorists who are out to attack the "big and little satans" whether they are Sunni or Shia. That is the raison d'etre of the Quds Brigades and Soleimani's life's work. The official report also contains this line Quote We have found no evidence that Iran or Hezbollah was aware of the planning for what later became the 9/11 attack. Anyway, the point is that is is a Ministry of Truth kind of trick and people really need to think about what 'the goodies' are lying about now. Edited January 4, 2020 by TheTeapot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 I really do wonder how many of you have paused to consider just what the consequences for the island will be right now let alone as the knock on from expanding hostilities between the mess in the middle East in general, Israel in particular, reaction from the fifth columnists in Europe and especially the UK, and so much more. Right now security at the airport should be increasing also in the case of sea routes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 There is certain evidence that Hezbollah and Iran were involved in training and allowing al Qaeda members to move through their territory to get to Afghanistan prior to 911. There is huge evidence that Hezbollah and Iran have supported, armed, paid for, and directly trained both Sunni and Shi'ite groups identified as terrorists by the UN, EU, US etc. who have killed 1000s of people worldwide. I say again, that is the raison d'etre of the Quds Brigades and Soleimani's life's work. Pence's tweet was flawed but catches the essence of that. What's your point? Yes, Iran repudiated al Qaeda after 911 and in a brief period there was a warming of relations with the US as Iranian maps etc were used to assist the Northern League, there has also been an odd period recently when American air-support has assisted Iranian-backed Militias in Iraq fight ISIS. These tactical alliances haven't changed the basic point that Iran views the US as the Big Satan, Israel as the Little Satan and will back groups it think it is in its interest to back bringing terrorist violence against US and Israeli interests. A major issue at the moment is that there has been a popular uprising in Iraq against Iranian backed groups - with mass demonstrations causing the Iraqi Prime Minister to resign. Soleimani would have been directly involved in using violence to restore Iran's position. It will be interesting to see if his death strengthens or weakens Iran's position in Iraq, but that uncertainty is linked with the current instability there and hence the attacks on US interests which caused Trump to act. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) I think my point is that the US is a disgrace, has been for years, and are the major cause of pretty much most of the conflict in the world. They lie and lie and bully and attack, drag everyone into their shit and generally make the world a worse place. The Pence tweets are just an example, but it was the same for the Afgan war and the second Iraq one. It is all bullshit, with devastating consequences. https://theweek.com/articles/887283/america-guilty-everything-accuse-iran-doing Edited January 4, 2020 by TheTeapot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Israel's funding of these terror groups china. Obviously there wont be as much evidence but what is your viewpoint on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 The training, the medical care. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: Israel's funding of these terror groups china. Obviously there wont be as much evidence but what is your viewpoint on this? Israel funding of Hezbollah etc? Are you serious? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 It's the big kid giving the little kid a slap in the hope that the little kid will slap back. Bullying at its finest. American foreign policy in a nutshell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: It's the big kid giving the little kid a slap in the hope that the little kid will slap back. Bullying at its finest. American foreign policy in a nutshell. Seems apt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Rog said: Israel funding of Hezbollah etc? Are you serious? Fuck you rog you twisted old cunt. The sooner the likes of you are off this earth the better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 And before you go playing any cards, by that I mean you personally as a human. Which is what we all are first and foremost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: Fuck you rog you twisted old cunt. The sooner the likes of you are off this earth the better. Very nasty. Beneath you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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