Rushen Spy Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 One US service member, two contractors killed in Al-Shabaab attack in Kenya, two DoD personnel injured https://on.rt.com/a8gu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) I've got the impression that the division of opinion in this thread has very little to do with the issues. It mostly seems to be about whether people are pro or anti-Trump. Suppose Obama were still President. He launched hundreds of drone attacks. I suspect that the division of opinion here would be different. With those favourable to Obama more inclined to back action - and populists less inclined to be in favour of foreign involvement. Let's be honest: None of us knows the rights and wrongs of this. And it's stupid being either vehemently for or against it. This seems a very un-Trump thing to do. It's much more in line with neo-Conservative strong foreign policy. Edited January 5, 2020 by pongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Trump will be around a while because he will be re-elected. Which should cause a few meltdowns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushen Spy Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, pongo said: Let's be honest: None of us knows the rights and wrongs of this. I do. The US Constitution says that Congress must authorise any war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ďouglas Peel Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 The West automatically gets the blame for most middle East countries being shitholes,however, Dubai is built by non Arab peoples? But on a practical level,readymix concrete and praying 6 times a day dont go together,while facing Mecca, a ticking timbomb happens,still,at least you can go inside the readymix lorry for 2 weeks with a Kango hammer.Nomads make crap farmers too,as happened in the Nile delta once "The religion of peace" took over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Good news. I like the stance he is taking. No excuses really if Iran dont fall into line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushen Spy Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I like his stance too, it's good that the US finally has a president with a spine. But the fact does remain that the US Constitution is very clear that only Congress can authorise war. This is nothing new though. US presidents have been cr-pping on the Constitution in this respect since 1942 and ruling as emperors via "executive order". Calling it "use of military force" does not change the fact that it is war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Some of you war hungry nutters would do well to read this article https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/01/how-to-avoid-swallowing-war-propaganda 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Awful lot of chickenhawks around in this thread... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 11 hours ago, Rushen Spy said: I do. The US Constitution says that Congress must authorise any war. There has been no declaration of war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rog said: There has been no declaration of war. See, this is how those pesky law things are got around by governments. This isn't war. This is "conflict", which doesn't require quite the same amount of legality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 35 minutes ago, Rog said: There has been no declaration of war. If a foreign Government attacked and killed a senior representative of any of the British armed services or a politician would it matter that there had been no declaration of war? I think most of us would regard such an attack as being an act of War? The assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand led to a war that engulfed Europe. The situation with Iran and the US has the potential to trigger further conflict in the Middle East and potentially globally if Iran was to involve it's allies. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 24 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: If a foreign Government attacked and killed a senior representative of any of the British armed services or a politician would it matter that there had been no declaration of war? I think most of us would regard such an attack as being an act of War? The assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand led to a war that engulfed Europe. The situation with Iran and the US has the potential to trigger further conflict in the Middle East and potentially globally if Iran was to involve it's allies. Unless creeping Islam is confronted it will continue its declared intent to take control of the world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 13 minutes ago, Rog said: Unless creeping Islam is confronted it will continue its declared intent to take control of the world. Oh look, someone is trying to justify ethnic cleansing and genocide...for the greater good... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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