RIchard Britten Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 33 minutes ago, Rog said: No. Nothing. The dissolution of the Ottoman Empire was determined by the League of Nations and later underwritten by the United Nations. Have a look at the pictures of Iran (particularly before 1979) and now. Are you saying that the British and US involvement in unseating the Shah (which totally had nothing to do with British Petroleum) never happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 30 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: Have a look at the pictures of Iran (particularly before 1979) and now. Are you saying that the British and US involvement in unseating the Shah (which totally had nothing to do with British Petroleum) never happened? The unseating of the Shah is down to the French. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 25 minutes ago, Rog said: The unseating of the Shah is down to the French. "Revisionism is what you need, if you wanna rewrite history..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 7 hours ago, quilp said: Mechanical fault. Hmmm, maybe not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Hmmm, maybe not. A lot of Iranians on board, doubt they would shoot their own people down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Who said the Iranians shot it down? As I said before I am SHOCKED that such a thing could happen in that place at this time. SHOCKED. Completely and utterly unpredictable. Unforeseeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Such is the nature of sudden mechanical failure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 So it is Sir Quilp but I don't re-call seeing a 'plane in so many bits after a mechanical failure. The whole thing appears to be totally fragmented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) Well, when an aircraft is full of fuel for a 2000 mile journey, and then it ploughs into the earth at climb-speed there's no other result doc. It spent 3 minutes in the air before plummeting earthward. No brakes, unfortunately. Edited January 8, 2020 by quilp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 3 hours ago, RIchard Britten said: A lot of Iranians on board, doubt they would shoot their own people down. Shows how much you DON'T know about islam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Boeing 737 too....again. Not a Max though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 hours ago, quilp said: Well, when an aircraft is full of fuel for a 2000 mile journey, and then it ploughs into the earth at climb-speed there's no other result doc. It spent 3 minutes in the air before plummeting earthward. No brakes, unfortunately. The radar is alleged (BBC) to show the plane climbing and then disappearing off screen. No descent track. That wouldn’t happen if there was loss of control and a fast descent. It’s a catastrophic incident with immediate destruction of airframe, rather than ploughing into the ground. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 There were all sorts of "suggestions" on the Sky News coverage; obviously mostly to do with the current tensions, from AA missile strike to anti-drone emissions from the Iranian air defence systems interfering with the aircraft's electronics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) There was this unauthenticated video which appears to show the plane descending with a fire in progress, which disappears for a second followed by a considerable explosion. The percussion from that fuel ignition would be enough to fragment the aircraft. Will we ever know exactly what occurred if the Iranians won't hand over the black box recorder? There was a report that there was no communication from the flight deck to Iranian ATC in the final minute, which might indicate a pilot struggling to control the aircraft. Tragic all the same. Edited January 8, 2020 by quilp Yes, I know it's RT/Ruptly before the usual suspects deride... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, quilp said: Will we ever know exactly what occurred if the Iranians won't hand over the black box recorder? They said they won't hand it to the americans or boeing. Ukrainian investigators are being given access apparently. Whatever the official story ends up being it is most likely a crock of shit. To think otherwise is naive at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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