P.K. Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Rog said: In a word - no. After all, Israel would NEVER say anything detrimental about Iran. Isn't that right Rog? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_manx Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 2 hours ago, P.K. said: A cruise missile that had a transponder that identified it as a passenger jet? Don't think so. Clever idea though. Not the first time human error has resulted in loss of life. In 1988 the US shot down a Iran air passenger aircraft during the 'fog of war' https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/10/middleeast/iran-air-flight-655-us-military-intl-hnk/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 31 minutes ago, P.K. said: After all, Israel would NEVER say anything detrimental about Iran. Isn't that right Rog? It's more than enough just to tell it like it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Rog said: It's more than enough just to tell it like it is. It's all Trump's fault though. The US murders an Iranian national showing total disregard for the sovereignty of both Iran and Iraq. The Iranians respond by striking a Coalition base deliberately avoiding casualties which may lead to a US armed response. However in the aftermath ALL Iranian forces will be placed on their highest alert in case of a US military response. And almost inevitably shit happens as a result. QED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, P.K. said: It's all Trump's fault though. The US murders an Iranian national showing total disregard for the sovereignty of both Iran and Iraq. The Iranians respond by striking a Coalition base deliberately avoiding casualties which may lead to a US armed response. However in the aftermath ALL Iranian forces will be placed on their highest alert in case of a US military response. And almost inevitably shit happens as a result. QED. Of course it's not Trump's fault. That's just nonsense. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 6 hours ago, Chinahand said: Not a unitary state, can’t maintain a monopoly over the gun. Those revolutionary guards are an entirely separate authority willing to launch expeditionary actions and missiles with little consolation with other branches of government. And this is a State that aspires to nuclear weapons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 6 hours ago, P.K. said: The Pasdaran are the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution of Iran. Although what threat a passenger jet leaving the country posed to the Islamic Revolution of Iran isn't immediately obvious. Well, not to me at any rate.... They are the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution سپاه پاسداران انقلاب اسلامی (in Persian) Note Iran is not in the name or the purpose which is Islamic revolution unconfined to any particular state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 50 minutes ago, P.K. said: The US murders an Iranian national showing total disregard for the sovereignty of both Iran and Iraq. I always find it fascinating when a long long chain of causality is artificially broken at a particular moment to blame one party. The event immediately before this was Iran sponsoring one element of the Iraqi state to attack another element of the Iraqi state because it is hosting and training with US forces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, Chinahand said: They are the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution سپاه پاسداران انقلاب اسلامی (in Persian) Note Iran is not in the name or the purpose which is Islamic revolution unconfined to any particular state. I added that bit to prevent confusion with Islamic State. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Same purpose different sects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Chinahand said: I always find it fascinating when a long long chain of causality is artificially broken at a particular moment to blame one party. The event immediately before this was Iran sponsoring one element of the Iraqi state to attack another element of the Iraqi state because it is hosting and training with US forces. Sure but some Iraqi invited Soleimani into the country. Apparently Trump is pissed because he didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize. Quelle surprise....! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/14/justin-trudeau-us-escalation-partly-to-blame-for-iran-plane-deaths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manximus Aururaneus Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, P.K. said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/14/justin-trudeau-us-escalation-partly-to-blame-for-iran-plane-deaths https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51104579 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, P.K. said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/14/justin-trudeau-us-escalation-partly-to-blame-for-iran-plane-deaths Well that pathetic socialist rs-hole would. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Trudumb is a disaster for the Canucks. Worse than his ol'man... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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