quilp Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 hours ago, P.K. said: Plus I have the advantage of viewing it without prejudice. Lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 9 hours ago, quilp said: Lol... Says the Guido parrot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Anyone remember the time the Americans shot down an RAF Tornado in the Gulf. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/oct/31/military.iraq When shit is hitting the fan, troops in the spotlight can and will make mistakes. And the small matter of the civilian airliner they shot down (Iranian Flight 655) Maybe American should keep quiet and let this shit calm down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 44 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: Anyone remember the time the Americans shot down an RAF Tornado in the Gulf. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/oct/31/military.iraq When shit is hitting the fan, troops in the spotlight can and will make mistakes. And the small matter of the civilian airliner they shot down (Iranian Flight 655) Maybe American should keep quiet and let this shit calm down. Oh come on. View the whole picture FFS. There was a state of greatly heightened anger by the Iranians and being given an obviously civilian aircraft, obviously because it would have been seen on radar to have departed from Tehran airport and squarking a civilian ID and the obvious certainty that it wouldn't be anything other than a western aircraft they would have been setting themselves to hit it. And so the SOB's did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, Rog said: Oh come on. View the whole picture FFS. There was a state of greatly heightened anger by the Iranians and being given an obviously civilian aircraft, obviously because it would have been seen on radar to have departed from Tehran airport and squarking a civilian ID and the obvious certainty that it wouldn't be anything other than a western aircraft they would have been setting themselves to hit it. And so the SOB's did. Flight 655... An aircraft (Airbus) flying its usual civilian route, on civilian air traffic tracking, squawking Mode III, was mistaken for an F-14... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 "In 1991, political scientist Robert Entman of George Washington University compared U.S. media coverage of the incident with the shoot down of Korean Air Lines Flight 007 by the Soviet Union five years earlier by studying material from Time, Newsweek, The New York Times, The Washington Post and CBS Evening News. According to Entman, framing techniques were used to frame the Korean Airlines incident as deliberate sabotage while framing the Iran Air incident as a tragic mistake,[55] stating "the angle taken by the US media emphasized the moral bankruptcy and guilt of the perpetrating nation. With Iran Air 655, the frame de-emphasised guilt and focused on the complex problems of operating military high technology."[56][a] By "de-emphasizing the agency and the victims and by the choice of graphics and adjectives, the news stories about the U.S. downing of an Iranian plane called it a technical problem while the Soviet downing of a Korean jet was portrayed as a moral outrage." Entman included polling that appeared to show that the unbalanced coverage swayed public opinion against the Soviet Union and Iran.[57] In July 2014, when Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was shot down in Ukraine, some commentators noted the discrepancy of U.S. official position and media coverage of the two similar incidents" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: "In 1991, political scientist Robert Entman of George Washington University compared U.S. media coverage of the incident with the shoot down of Korean Air Lines Flight 007 by the Soviet Union five years earlier by studying material from Time, Newsweek, The New York Times, The Washington Post and CBS Evening News. According to Entman, framing techniques were used to frame the Korean Airlines incident as deliberate sabotage while framing the Iran Air incident as a tragic mistake,[55] stating "the angle taken by the US media emphasized the moral bankruptcy and guilt of the perpetrating nation. With Iran Air 655, the frame de-emphasised guilt and focused on the complex problems of operating military high technology."[56][a] By "de-emphasizing the agency and the victims and by the choice of graphics and adjectives, the news stories about the U.S. downing of an Iranian plane called it a technical problem while the Soviet downing of a Korean jet was portrayed as a moral outrage." Entman included polling that appeared to show that the unbalanced coverage swayed public opinion against the Soviet Union and Iran.[57] In July 2014, when Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was shot down in Ukraine, some commentators noted the discrepancy of U.S. official position and media coverage of the two similar incidents" You're not comparing apples with apples. Again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 58 minutes ago, Rog said: You're not comparing apples with apples. Again. he never does... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Rog said: You're not comparing apples with apples. Again. The pair of you have been shown to be demonstrably wrong on multiple counts. Stop digging and go have a biscuit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: The pair of you have been shown to be demonstrably wrong on multiple counts. Stop digging and go have a biscuit. No need to dig old son. It's spread wide and far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, Rog said: No need to dig old son. It's spread wide and far. The shit you're shovelling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Of course Roger et al know for certain that the Iranian defence capability and their Command and Control systems are all the latest available, have all the capabilities they've been banging on about, have highly trained and disciplined crews and the whole lot works flawlessly.... Except it obviously does not. You have no idea operationally what it's like ergo you don't know what you're talking about... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: The shit you're shovelling? Only what you've produced! (Does Brighton mean anything to you?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 minute ago, P.K. said: Of course Roger et al know for certain that the Iranian defence capability and their Command and Control systems are all the latest available, have all the capabilities they've been banging on about, have highly trained and disciplined crews and the whole lot works flawlessly.... Except it obviously does not. You have no idea operationally what it's like ergo you don't know what you're talking about... I certainly know with a high degree of certainty what functionality is available at a SAM launch site that deploys radar guided missiles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rog said: Only what you've produced! (Does Brighton mean anything to you?) No, should it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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