Another Batch Of Food Rumours

[K.os Theory]

3. Starbucks at the waterloo, this one has a bit more weight to it I think...

Hope not. Starbucks coffee is shit.

 

Yes. But don't they normally have free wifi internet? Do any of the existing places have that?

 

It's not free i'm afraid, you have to pay for it.

 

http://starbucks.co.uk/en-GB/_Our+Stores/H...t+Starbucks.htm

 

Now, a coffee shop over here with free wifi would be great HOWEVER there are issues with this - for example, a person can go in and download illegal material (yes, horrific child porn of the likes) and the IP address of the wifi service would be captured - not the computer, leaving the persons providing the service open to prosecution.

 

There has been a marked withdrawal of 'free' internet services of late, and a move to a system whereby you need to register to use the free service, and provide credit/debit card details.

 

In the BA lounges, for example, you need to provide your boarding pass and then your given a ticket. The ticket ties up what you look at with your identity and so forth meaning that if you do look at something illegal, it's traceable.

 

Not that i'm saying anyone on the isle of man is that sick, but you never know.

 

Java have free wi-fi access, they used to have 30min time limits but now you can just go in buy a coffee and log onto the network...

[Deejay Denzel]

Get yourselves a decent coffee maker and coffee at work. It must save you thousands in the long run, rather than having to be metrosexuals with designer cardboard cup

[Slim]

Strand58 and the Waterloo are going because of the smoke ban.

Any Brewery bar without a decent outside area is likely to follow the same route, and the lucky pubs will be allowed to sell food. The Island is going to turn into a shit place to go out very soon.

 

Or a much better place, depending on your view of sucking smoke.

[ans]

Strand58 and the Waterloo are going because of the smoke ban.

Any Brewery bar without a decent outside area is likely to follow the same route, and the lucky pubs will be allowed to sell food. The Island is going to turn into a shit place to go out very soon.

 

No, they're going because they're not big earners for the Brewery and they're trying to get out of the pub running game and have been for some time. Most brewery pubs will be sold off and they're making moves into other areas, which I'm sure have appeared in the papers. Strand58 and Waterloo are just prime locations so they were snapped up early.

[Lonan3]

Strand58 and the Waterloo are going because of the smoke ban.

Any Brewery bar without a decent outside area is likely to follow the same route, and the lucky pubs will be allowed to sell food. The Island is going to turn into a shit place to go out very soon.

 

No, they're going because they're not big earners for the Brewery.

With no future potential as pubs because they are unable to provide an area for smokers.

[Tea&Biscuits]

I know that we used to have Griddles as a junk food place but it was it a locally owned company? It was just one place, and anyway I grew up in Port Erin - total isolation! Mind you I suppose there are chippy's all over the Island!

 

I just think that high streets are becoming souless places, I mean really - who would choose to eat in Pizza Hut (prob the worst junk food chain in terms of expense and absolute under rated food) when you have italian places round the corner that can serve you up a decent pizza in a restaraunt for probs the same price????

 

It is a shame that more independent business do not open up unique places on the high street but i imagine it is difficult if big companies move in?

 

I just cant stand it - the way every high street, shopping mall looks the same! You see kids with pasty faces screaming that they want a McDonalds/KFC/BKing and I dont know how parents cope with it? I mean most adults wouldnt eat junk food like that on a regular but these places actively target young children to do so - its all a bit evil! The amount of salt in the food, the fact that eating becomes almost like a race, the shitty music, the primary colours, the gluttony of it all just turns my stomach. Watch people in McDonalds - all like Robots in a line! Just the pure cheapness of the food, but the expensive prices make me so mad!

 

I just feel that more giant corporate places that move onto the Island, the more it squeezes local business out and then before you know it the IOM looks just like any shitty high st in the UK. I personally think that would be a shame - however when I was a teenager growing up on the Island I prob would ahve thought it was brill - so I can see where people are coming from in that respect.

 

Where I live in West Drayton (small little commuter place) the high street was once a vibrant place with local butchers, cafes, shops etc, however since Tesco, KFC and BK moved in businesses have failed and now half the shops are closed - the high st looks so desolate and run down and it is a real shame. Okay the consumer is getting bargains from Tescos, but really I would pay a bit more to keep my high street vibrant and local? Maybe im wrong but I would hate that to happen to the IOM

[ans]

With no future potential as pubs because they are unable to provide an area for smokers.

 

As a taxi driver, I'm sure you're more than aware that Strand58 just isn't busy anymore and like The Waterloo it's worth far more to them in terms of building resale than potential revenue from sales, smoking ban or not. The brewery took the decision to get out of the pub running game quite some time ago because people, in general, are choosing to do other things and the only steady stream of customer they get are binge drinking kids who vomit on doormen and start fights. Just not worth it any more.

[Slim]

As a taxi driver, I'm sure you're more than aware that Strand58 just isn't busy anymore and like The Waterloo it's worth far more to them in terms of building resale than potential revenue from sales, smoking ban or not. The brewery took the decision to get out of the pub running game quite some time ago because people, in general, are choosing to do other things and the only steady stream of customer they get are binge drinking kids who vomit on doormen and start fights. Just not worth it any more.

 

 

People just aren't going to the pub as much as they used to, and the regular pup going generation is dying out. We used to have several massive nightclubs; Lido, Cave, Whispers, JD's all open and full a good few thousand people out at the weekend. Now we have one, and whens the last time anyone here went to it?

 

Games consoles, home cinemas, entertaining space in homes like posh dining rooms, resteraunts, hobbies, weekends abroad are all sucking people out of the pub. The damage is done before the smoking ban. Only time I ever go to a pub now is to see a band or with work, if I'm with my mates, we do something in a resteraunt or round someones gaff.

 

T&B: fully agree. Griddles was owned by eatwell iirc, I think the same guy who's to the picknic basket?

[Max Power]

It'll be a shame to see the Waterloo go though! Only for the fact that it is probably the sole surviving frontage and the same business from a long gone era!

Perhaps there are others?

[BigDave]

Now, a coffee shop over here with free wifi would be great HOWEVER there are issues with this - for example, a person can go in and download illegal material (yes, horrific child porn of the likes) and the IP address of the wifi service would be captured - not the computer, leaving the persons providing the service open to prosecution.

I wouldn't be too concerned about the access of illegal material. The charges that can be brought relate to the posession of indecent material, rather than the actual access of it. Evidence of access can be, and is used to bolster a case for possession of such material by showing the offender was intentionally accessing and downloading such material. The problem for service providers is more the inconvenience of having to assist the authorities because you have a sicko customer rather than the threat of prosecution.

 

There are other issues though like hackers and scriptkiddies using the connection to execute attacks that could be problematic, although these issues are probably more likely to result in revocation of service than prosecution.

[puddy]

Sometimes when you're in Douglas all day and not getting home for ages you do find yourself turning to fast food if other places are too busy. I hardly ever go to Mcdonald's or KFC and when I do I always regret it afterwards. Not just because I feel bad about eating rubbish food, but the whole experience is unpleasant. But that's all you can expect if you want cheap fast food.

 

I went to Duke's Diner for dinner (lunch, if you're posh) last year with my sister, just to try it out. We both got a meal and drinks and it might have been an ok experience, but it was totally ruined by some yoofs who came in, filled up a large table next to us and started chainsmoking. Only one of them bought something from the Diner, he bought a bottle of pop. The rest just sat there and smoked. If that was my business I'd be well pissed off that they weren't buying anything (apart from 1 bottle of pop) and putting off other customers, but they were 'in' with the staff so there was nothing for us to do. I've never been back.

[Slim]

He's talking utter horseshit about offering free internet access. You wont see manx telecom being nicked because one of their free dialup customers is into kiddy pron.

[gilf_uk]

I wouldn't be too concerned about the access of illegal material. The charges that can be brought relate to the posession of indecent material, rather than the actual access of it. Evidence of access can be, and is used to bolster a case for possession of such material by showing the offender was intentionally accessing and downloading such material. The problem for service providers is more the inconvenience of having to assist the authorities because you have a sicko customer rather than the threat of prosecution.

 

Actually there is an offence of downloading illegal material whether or not you are still in possession of it.

 

As for the horseshit, if manx telecom knowingly let people access the information and didn't record who it was, then yes, they'd be liable for prosecution as well. But thats slightly different, as MT would be able to tell the police who the end user of the service was (i.e. Mr Joe Bloggs running QuickCoffee or the likes).

[Slim]

Your citation?

 

It would be impossible to pin liability on any carrier. That's like suing manx telecom for someone making pervy calls.

 

It's opposite to the manx electronics transaction act of 2000. Look it up. Just having knowlege of the user doesn't remove liability. If I let someone use my laptop while connected to heathrows wifi, and he does something illegal on it, it's him that breaks the law, not me, or heathrow.

[gilf_uk]

Your citation?

 

It would be impossible to pin liability on any carrier. That's like suing manx telecom for someone making pervy calls.

 

It's opposite to the manx electronics transaction act of 2000. Look it up. Just having knowledge of the user doesn't remove liability. If I let someone use my laptop while connected to heathrows wifi, and he does something illegal on it, it's him that breaks the law, not me, or heathrow.

 

Yes but there is a difference between a carrier and an 'end user'. I was simply saying, as the article I mentioned does, that if you do something illegal on something that someone else is responsible for, unless you have clear proof it wasn't you, you can me held liable.

 

If your laptop then has something illegal on it the burden of proof would rest with you to show that it was the other person, not yourself, that had committed the illegal act.

 

However, your interpretation of the law maybe different from mine, and I'm sure to many others. My point was that it is a thorny issue and without it being tested in court, who knows.