Public Meeting - Water Fluoridation

[Slim]

Why? If water is deemed an acceptable delivery vehicle for drugging the nation why stop at dental decay?

 

 

Because that's simply not how it works, you're just making up a conclusion yourself without any evidence and it makes you look like a ranting loony, destroying your credability.

[saveourwater]

Because that's simply not how it works, you're just making up a conclusion yourself without any evidence and it makes you look like a ranting loony, destroying your credability.

 

Many other people have argued the same point. The public water supply should not be used as a vehicle for drug delivery.

 

I think it’s a valid point, in fact it’s a central point to the whole argument that many, many people concur with.

[Slim]

Many other people have argued the same point. The public water supply should not be used as a vehicle for drug delivery.

 

I think it’s a valid point, in fact it’s a central point to the whole argument that many, many people concur with.

 

Personally, I'd see the parallel more to fortified juice drinks.

 

It's still conjecture, and it makes you look desparate enough to make future bogeyman stuff up to support your argument.

[saveourwater]

If fluoride were an essential nutrient then your analysis would be correct, fluoride however has never been proven an essential nutrient and when administered via toothpaste, mouthwash etc it has to be pharmaceutical grade.

 

When being ‘swallowed’ in the form of drops or tablets it has to be a licensed pharmaceutical product.

 

In fact your argument that it is ‘fortified’ water kind of makes my point i.e. why not fortify the water with other things? Why stop at fluoride, especially if people accept it and it is such an easy and cheap thing to do?

[saveourwater]

There was another public meeting on water fluoridation at the Baptist Church Port St. Mary tonight. The meeting was called by Port St. Mary Commissioners and chaired by the Captain of the Parish.

 

Dr Emerson presented the case for fluoridation and spoke for about an hour and a half with some questions in between his powerpoint slides.

 

Our group (Isle of Man Campaign for non-fluoridated Tap Water) followed with a screening of The Fluoride Deception You Tube LINK and also took questions from the floor.

 

Unfortunately Dr Emerson could not stay for our presentation, he said that he had “seen it all before”, despite knowing what we were going to show and despite requests from the audience for him to stay and answer questions after we had finished.

 

Mrs Pam Crowe, political Member for Health was present and did stay for our presentation. Mrs Crowe also endeavoured to answer questions from the audience in Dr Emerson’s absence.

 

At the end of the proceedings a show of hands was held, at a rough count those in favour of fluoridation numbered 3 including Mrs Crowe and an ex-government dentist, against numbered 25 including our 2 members. There were about 30 people present in the meeting hall.

[staaue]

The Education Minister hopes a survey, which reveals Island youngsters could be heading for a lifetime of dental problems, will act as a wake-up call.

 

Anne Craine (pictured) was speaking after findings last week showed 52% of Island five year-olds had experienced decay at some point in their lives.

 

And one Island primary school had an entire year which had experienced problems.

 

She hopes the survey acts as a reminder for parents to keep a close eye on their children’s teeth:

 

'Be afraid' is the impression I get from this statement. It also puts weight to what I was saying about political pressure being put into play to help scare the shoit out of everyone, in preparation for poisoning our water supply IMO.

 

 

Slim. not really a fair, intelligent and balanced comment IMO; you discredit yourself with snide remarks like that IMO.

It's still conjecture, and it makes you look desparate enough to make future bogeyman stuff up to support your argument.

 

The peoples 'Choice and opinion' appear to be overlooked, how obvious that Anne Craine spouts this in the media. Not a real concern though, I think more people tune into this website to find out what is really going on than listens to Manx Radio etc IMO.

 

So was Dr Nic's withdrawal from the meeting an act of abnegation? Was he not really interested because he knew how condemning the argument would be against Fluoridation; tactically withdrawing in an attempt to imply incompetence in the opposing party. Nice try dick head.!!!

 

Or... Maybe he knows he is beat and didn't or couldn't be bothered staying to be torn apart. I think (IMO) he was scared witless and ran off home.

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So was Dr Nic's withdrawal from the meeting an act of abnegation? Was he not really interested because he knew how condemning the argument would be against Fluoridation; tactically withdrawing in an attempt to imply incompetence in the opposing party. Nice try dick head.!!!

 

Or... Maybe he knows he is beat and didn't or couldn't be bothered staying to be torn apart. I think (IMO) he was scared witless and ran off home.

 

you discredit yourself with snide remarks like that IMO

[nipper]

At the end of the proceedings a show of hands was held, at a rough count those in favour of fluoridation numbered 3 including Mrs Crowe and an ex-government dentist, against numbered 25 including our 2 members. There were about 30 people present in the meeting hall.

 

At the meeting at the promenade Methodist in Douglas, Eddie Teare MHK Minister for Health was similarly in a minority.

 

They really do need to do something to persuade more people in the same way that Pam and Eddie have so clearly been persuaded themselves on this one. Come on you politicians, you've managed to get all of those people to vote you in, can't you manage to persuade them to vote with you on this flouride thing?

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They really do need to do something to persuade more people in the same way that Pam and Eddie have so clearly been persuaded themselves on this one. Come on you politicians, you've managed to get all of those people to vote you in, can't you manage to persuade them to vote with you on this flouride thing?

 

They may have already but as with any pressure group and organised meetings you will tend to find that those going do so because in general because they agree with the stance of the pressure group.

 

If the BNP, the socialist workers, the prohunting lobby, pro smoking or anti smoking lobby organised a meeting, you could be fairly sure of the outcome in a vote at those meetings. Would it reflect the majority of the population? I would hope not.

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It also puts weight to what I was saying about political pressure being put into play to help scare the shoit out of everyone, in preparation for poisoning our water supply IMO.

 

And that is not a card being heavily played by the anti fluoride lobby as well as there use of language is equally to scare the shoit out of everyone. e.g poisoning our water supply. In fact the only difference I can see between the two sides is the hollier than though few of sum of the anti fluoride lobby

[staaue]

So was Dr Nic's withdrawal from the meeting an act of abnegation? Was he not really interested because he knew how condemning the argument would be against Fluoridation; tactically withdrawing in an attempt to imply incompetence in the opposing party. Nice try dick head.!!!

 

Or... Maybe he knows he is beat and didn't or couldn't be bothered staying to be torn apart. I think (IMO) he was scared witless and ran off home.

 

you discredit yourself with snide remarks like that IMO

 

Another grand contribution to this debate by ANS..?????????????? Keep it up yessir xx

 

Lost login. I disagree. If those against fluoridation win, then we save our water and keep it in a pure and healthy condition; those who need fluoride can get it via other means, just like supplements in some food products. If the Gov't win, we have a chemical added to our water supply that might or might not help and might cause health problems in several ways.

Definition

Poisoning occurs when any substance interferes with normal body functions after it is swallowed, inhaled, injected, or absorbed. The branch of medicine that deals with the detection and treatment of poisons is known as toxicology. http://www.reference.com/search?q=poisoning

 

Riddle me this! How do people in none fluoride areas with healthy teeth, keep their teeth healthy???

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Another grand contribution to this debate by ANS..?????????????? Keep it up yessir xx

 

You feel it's acceptable to accuse someone of discrediting their own point of view with snide remarks and then proceed to call someone a 'dick head'. By your own admission, you just discredited your own point of view.

 

If you genuinely can't see your own hypocrisy in this thread, get a grown up to explain it to you.

[Slim]

Slim. not really a fair, intelligent and balanced comment IMO; you discredit yourself with snide remarks like that IMO.

It's still conjecture, and it makes you look desparate enough to make future bogeyman stuff up to support your argument.

 

 

Wasn't being snide. You see this 'thin end of the wedge' claim a lot with this kind of resistance arguing, and it's pretty worthless. Stick to the facts, in my opinion.

[nipper]

They really do need to do something to persuade more people in the same way that Pam and Eddie have so clearly been persuaded themselves on this one. Come on you politicians, you've managed to get all of those people to vote you in, can't you manage to persuade them to vote with you on this flouride thing?

 

They may have already but as with any pressure group and organised meetings you will tend to find that those going do so because in general because they agree with the stance of the pressure group.

 

If the BNP, the socialist workers, the prohunting lobby, pro smoking or anti smoking lobby organised a meeting, you could be fairly sure of the outcome in a vote at those meetings. Would it reflect the majority of the population? I would hope not.

 

Pamela and Edward may well have persuaded their followers to go with them, but there just isn't much evidence of it at all. Oh, and Introducing BNPs and such like is hardly being realistic.

 

I went down to the Promenade Methodist Church meeting in Douglas with an open mind.

 

There were two distinct clear sides of the argument presented. I don't know if there were more tree-hugging-environmentalist-ant-establishment-commie-subversive-lefty-pinko-faggots there or not. I saw just the one very woolie jumper out of 120 or so people but most seemed to be normal average concerned people. Members of the Isle of Man electorate.

 

The arguments were presented professionally and logically for both sides. There were questions. There was discussion.

 

There was a vote and there was an over-whelming support for anti-flouride. On the lines of 3-120.

Just where are the supposed 'non-vocal' majority?. Maybe our politicians can muster them.

[nipper]

The BBC inform us under '10 Things We Didn't Know' that

 

"children in Manchester are twice as likely to have tooth decay than in Birmingham, who have flouride in their water."

 

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So why bother with all this pontificating when we could have just turned to the independent BBC for some wisdom.