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Non-Believer Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Max Power said: The ancient religion of peace.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shake me up Judy Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Rushdie's assailant has of course pleaded not guilty and will avail himself of the finest lawyers justice can buy. That's how soft we are. Knife in hand and hundreds of witnesses. The trial will cost six figures. If he'd have stabbed someone in a Muslim country he'd have been dead five seconds later. I'd have done the job myself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Shake me up Judy said: Rushdie's assailant has of course pleaded not guilty and will avail himself of the finest lawyers justice can buy. That's how soft we are. Knife in hand and hundreds of witnesses. The trial will cost six figures. If he'd have stabbed someone in a Muslim country he'd have been dead five seconds later. I'd have done the job myself. *sigh* We, and most other developed nations, have a legal system for a very good reason. The assailant should face trial under the relevant legal system and if that means he can avail himself of lawyers then that is also okay. To abandon our legal systems would make us no better than those who you despise. Killing this assailant would simply make him a martyr for others who hold an extremist view. I still don't agree with your view on this being a result of "wokery". Unfortunately many religions, or even cultures, contain extremists. Religious indoctrination has a lot to answer for. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 *yawn* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 The point is that treating this fruitcake with due process safeguards your rights to the same thing. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, P.K. said: The point is that treating this fruitcake with due process safeguards your rights to the same thing. After the event. It doesn't protect me from 'fruitcakes' (Are you sure that's the right word ?) though does it. It didn't protect Rushdie. It's an end process. Our justice system isn't protecting our freedoms and culture any longer. That's my point. It's only security and surveillance that's protecting us from 'fruitcakes'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Shake me up Judy said: After the event. It doesn't protect me from 'fruitcakes' (Are you sure that's the right word ?) though does it. It didn't protect Rushdie. It's an end process. Our justice system isn't protecting our freedoms and culture any longer. That's my point. It's only security and surveillance that's protecting us from 'fruitcakes'. As the Fatwa proposes, "Whoever is killed in this process shall be a Martyr" and they love their martyrs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 54 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said: After the event. It doesn't protect me from 'fruitcakes' (Are you sure that's the right word ?) though does it. It didn't protect Rushdie. It's an end process. Our justice system isn't protecting our freedoms and culture any longer. That's my point. It's only security and surveillance that's protecting us from 'fruitcakes'. Of course the due processes of law only take place after the event. IMHO you are mixing up deterrence with the justice system. Before the rise of militant Islam the thinking was that lethal force was the final option of deterrence. As these zealots don't care about their outcomes that's no longer true. So our only protection is intelligence in it's various guises. Unfortunately it's pretty much impossible to detect "lone wolf" attackers like Breivik, Abedi and the shit that attacked Rushdie. I wonder if there was any security at the venue...? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 17 hours ago, Chinahand said: SMUJ's point about wokery is echoed here. The "I am offended, you shall shut up" mob are a genuine issue in society. When you put it like that (the tweet), yes, I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 4 hours ago, quilp said: *yawn* The below from P.K. is spot on. The Criminal Justice system is far from perfect but it is part of our society and in particular part of the way we believe that Justice should be done. Remove the protections for one individual and you remove them for everyone. You might be sat there thinking it won't impact on you as you are not a criminal but God (or any other imaginary diety) help you if you are wrongfully accused because unless you have a lot of savings or qualify for legal aid you are going to be up against the state who will throw all sorts of resources at the case. 3 hours ago, P.K. said: The point is that treating this fruitcake with due process safeguards your rights to the same thing. I just don't understand how certain people miss that fact... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 8 hours ago, quilp said: 🤦♂️ Why the hell would you re-print that. Nutjobs had probably forgotten this but now thank you for the reminder...🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Passing Time said: Why the hell would you re-print that. Nutjobs had probably forgotten this but now thank you for the reminder...🤦♂️ Obviously nutjobs had not forgotten given the incident in New York Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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