piebaps Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Au contraire localyokel the figures are in fact published and freely available They form part of the Annual Report http://www.gov.im/lib/docs/cso/2011annualreport.pdf This link is to 2011 and the public sector pay bit is in annexe 6 which is at pages 109 onwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 And people groaned when I moaned about an inevitable mess which has now become a major reality. It seems to me the only groan was that you'd chosen a misleading and sensationalistic thread title. And guess what? You had. Although, I'd agree misleading and sensationalistic posts by you have become a major reality on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 And people groaned when I moaned about an inevitable mess which has now become a major reality. It seems to me the only groan was that you'd chosen a misleading and sensationalistic thread title. And guess what? You had. Although, I'd agree misleading and sensationalistic posts by you have become a major reality on this forum. Such as? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Au contraire localyokel the figures are in fact published and freely available They form part of the Annual Report http://www.gov.im/li...nnualreport.pdf This link is to 2011 and the public sector pay bit is in annexe 6 which is at pages 109 onwards. Which leads to an interesting question. That 2011 Report was published in June 2011 - what ever happened to the 2012 one? A bit of digging around finds a much-reduced version called the Cross Government Report 2012 with a revealing introduction: In recent years, annexes to the Government's Annual Report have been the vehicle through which a range of cross Government information was published. The new Administration is currently reviewing its performance management structure and as such an Annual Report in the form that has been produced since 2008 will not be published this year. Nevertheless, important cross Government information continues to be recorded by Departments, Boards and Offices and collated by the Chief Secretary's Office and this consolidated Report draws this diverse range of information together in one accessible source. Once again we see the Bell administration cutting back on the information that it publishes. It's only a 32 page document compared to the Annual Report 2011 with 146 pages and it may be that they are legally obliged to publish some of the information in any case. As it happens the salary bands for the civil service and public servants are included (p27-28): Salary Band / No of Civil Servants £0 - £24,999.99 1,038 £25,000 - £49,999.99 1,347 £50,000 - £74,999.99 234 £75,000 - £99,999.99 41 £100,000 - £124,999.99 8 > £125,000 2 Band / No of Public Servants £0 - £24,999.99 4,668 £25,000 - £49,999.99 3,437 £50,000 - £74,999.99 425 £75,000 - £99,999.99 57 £100,000 - £124,999.99 31 £125,000 - £149,999.99 20 £150,000 - £174,999.99 19 £175,000 - £199,999.99 15 £200,000 - £224,999.99 6 £225,000 - £249,999.99 1 Numbers in each band bolded for clarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 Other 'easily identifiable numbers' have dissapeared too. Like the then DoT used to proudly announce it's 707 employees on the website. But people should keep on digging because the information is there, you just have to know where to look e.g. budget etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Au contraire localyokel the figures are in fact published and freely available They form part of the Annual Report http://www.gov.im/li...nnualreport.pdf This link is to 2011 and the public sector pay bit is in annexe 6 which is at pages 109 onwards. Which leads to an interesting question. That 2011 Report was published in June 2011 - what ever happened to the 2012 one? A bit of digging around finds a much-reduced version called the Cross Government Report 2012 with a revealing introduction: In recent years, annexes to the Government's Annual Report have been the vehicle through which a range of cross Government information was published. The new Administration is currently reviewing its performance management structure and as such an Annual Report in the form that has been produced since 2008 will not be published this year. Nevertheless, important cross Government information continues to be recorded by Departments, Boards and Offices and collated by the Chief Secretary's Office and this consolidated Report draws this diverse range of information together in one accessible source. Once again we see the Bell administration cutting back on the information that it publishes. It's only a 32 page document compared to the Annual Report 2011 with 146 pages and it may be that they are legally obliged to publish some of the information in any case. As it happens the salary bands for the civil service and public servants are included (p27-28): Salary Band / No of Civil Servants £0 - £24,999.99 1,038 £25,000 - £49,999.99 1,347 £50,000 - £74,999.99 234 £75,000 - £99,999.99 41 £100,000 - £124,999.99 8 > £125,000 2 Band / No of Public Servants £0 - £24,999.99 4,668 £25,000 - £49,999.99 3,437 £50,000 - £74,999.99 425 £75,000 - £99,999.99 57 £100,000 - £124,999.99 31 £125,000 - £149,999.99 20 £150,000 - £174,999.99 19 £175,000 - £199,999.99 15 £200,000 - £224,999.99 6 £225,000 - £249,999.99 1 Numbers in each band bolded for clarity Jesus H Christ you are saying we have 41 public servants paid over £150,000 and 51 civil servants paid over £75,000? What are we the fucking United Nations? Thats totally insane for an Island of 80,000 people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxy Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 how times have changed since this thread. Crikey S, you've resurrected a thread from nearly 6 years ago....lol (You win!) Who are these people? Can anyone start putting names to salaries? No wonder certain people don't want FOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbert Hickmann Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 ...or worse than that, 859 getting more than £50K per annum - that's a grand/week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I can see a lot more 'Told You So' threads being resurrected in the next few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Runner Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Jesus H Christ you are saying we have 41 public servants paid over £150,000 and 51 civil servants paid over £75,000? What are we the fucking United Nations? Thats totally insane for an Island of 80,000 people. I think those figures include people like doctors, I think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 ...or worse than that, 859 getting more than £50K per annum - that's a grand/week! I reckon you'd be hard pushed to find 1,000 people in the private sector earning over £50,000 a year. Those figures are nothing short of disgusting and just prove how one sided our economy is. All the money is just going to feed government employees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Jesus H Christ you are saying we have 41 public servants paid over £150,000 and 51 civil servants paid over £75,000? What are we the fucking United Nations? Thats totally insane for an Island of 80,000 peouple. I think those figures include people like doctors, I think! Very probably - I'd anticipate that the salaries of doctors at consultant grade (the top of the tree I believe) are probably(very) well north of £100k. The highest earner of all will, as often referred to here previously, be Mr. Aspden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanxfella Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Jesus H Christ you are saying we have 41 public servants paid over £150,000 and 51 civil servants paid over £75,000? What are we the fucking United Nations? Thats totally insane for an Island of 80,000 peouple. I think those figures include people like doctors, I think! Very probably - I'd anticipate that the salaries of doctors at consultant grade (the top of the tree I believe) are probably(very) well north of £100k. The highest earner of all will, as often referred to here previously, be Mr. Aspden. Even so thats 41 people on over £150k a year - that would even be a lot of GPs and consultants (if indeed they are included). AND over 50 civil servants on £75k plus? Thats a hell of a lot. They are saying over 50 people in the civil service are so vital to the Island they are worth over £75,000 a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Jesus H Christ you are saying we have 41 public servants paid over £150,000 and 51 civil servants paid over £75,000? What are we the fucking United Nations? Thats totally insane for an Island of 80,000 peouple. I think those figures include people like doctors, I think! Very probably - I'd anticipate that the salaries of doctors at consultant grade (the top of the tree I believe) are probably(very) well north of £100k. The highest earner of all will, as often referred to here previously, be Mr. Aspden. Even so thats 41 people on over £150k a year - that would even be a lot of GPs and consultants (if indeed they are included). AND over 50 civil servants on £75k plus? Thats a hell of a lot. They are saying over 50 people in the civil service are so vital to the Island they are worth over £75,000 a year? Now we can see the issue in trying make these people redundant. They'll have some pretty hefty clauses in there which will set them up for life (and eat into the reserves) should it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I'm not so sure these figures do include doctors, dentists, consultants etc. Wouldn't the figures be even higher if they did ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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