Newsbot Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Police tackle underage drinking and anti-social behaviour now schools are out in the Isle of Man. Source : http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/world/...man/6916880.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebees Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 This makes me sad. I was drinking in the streets with my mates when I was 13 (that was a long long time ago), I rescued a young girl from the lane behind my old house 10 years ago (poor kid was covered in puke and was in no fit state - through drink) & I still see drunk kids on the steets - something isnt working. The laws are supposed to protect - they clearly do not and the stupid nanny state prevents parents allowing their children to drink socially with them, Im not saying let your kids get drunk but, to let them have a couple of drinks, remove the mystery and taboo - maybe then they will be in a position to know better than to drink cheap plonk with their mates. It had worked for me, but then I asked a police man about the legal stance on buying my youth a beer...thankfully he was very nice and didn't arrest me for my previous crimes...I presumed that it was OK to buy your own child a drink, thought the law was there to stop people hanging round off-licenses buying kids drink - there are loads of drunk kids on the streets every weekend, I like to know where mine is and encourage her to join in family things and sometimes that might include being at a festival or a pub, where lots of people drink, therefore as a 'nearly adult' I dont see any reason (except for the law....) for her not to have a drink. Its a great shame that there is not enough for families to do as a unit. In my day we went to the Falcon Cliff with my parents and played in the games room while they watched the shows, god you could smoke and everything then, how am I still alive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feelslikeitshould Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 It is ok, in your own home. They can have a drink with you from the age of 5, we're only talking a glass of white wine and lemonade on special occasions, not bottles of stella or measure after measure of whisky. You also have to decide what would be a reasonable amount for your youngster to drink, I think it would be seen as irresponsible to get them tipsy and then send them out on the streets with their mates. Kids are kids, they do most things in excess, it seems their purpose is to push to see how far they can go. I'd rather my teenagers get drunk at home, be sick even, so they know their limit, than go out on the piss with their mates where they are in contant competition with each other to drink more and more. I used to go out and drunk with my friends at 13/14, from Tuesday onwards we'd plot how and where we'd get it from and then where we'd go. I never realised the danger we were in then really, even after a couple of mates got taken to the hospital, we just thought they couldn't handle their drink. We'd go down to the beach, sit on rcks, hide in places with no people or lighting, thank god nothing serious happened to any of us. I can see my kids wanting to do the same and it scares me half to death! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatopian Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Hopefully the UK will eventually shift towards a more continental attitude to drink: a couple of glasses of wine with dinner or a few beers on an evening out, rather than working towards the primary objective of getting as drunk as possible as quickly as possible. How can we expect our kids to drink responsibly if we're such poor role models? I feel really embarassed to be British when I'm out with my friends in Prague and see groups (usually stag and hen parties) of Brits acting like complete arses. Thankfully they confine themselves to the touristy bars for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebees Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Cheers Feelslikeitshould, I feel increasingly like I need to be a lawyer to live within the law, common sense no longer prevails. :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossils Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 I understand that one of the issues to tackle is that many parents on the Island are giving their children large quantities of booze to take out with their friends. It's no longer cool to give them a bag of sweets. Now the "switched on" parents give them a few 6-packs or a bottle of spirits to go out to play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebees Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 I understand that one of the issues to tackle is that many parents on the Island are giving their children large quantities of booze to take out with their friends. It's no longer cool to give them a bag of sweets. Now the "switched on" parents give them a few 6-packs or a bottle of spirits to go out to play with. Thats really frightening. I can't believe that parents would give their children drink and let them go out with it. Don't you think any parent giving their child any alcoholic drink would be aware of the possible outcome of such ridiculous actions as setting them loose on the streets (drunkeness, alcoholic poisoning, irrational behaviour, trouble with the law, etc etc)? The kids drinking in the street are getting their booze from 18 year old mates, I know this because my daughter told me and shes great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan C Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 As a regualer reader if not a contributor, I am often disappointed by the tone of the mails in this vein. You get the town you deserve. I have read mails from grown men stating that they were abused by teenagers in the street and walked on by. Of seeing drunken kids and did nothing because, "hey its everywhere". When are men going to be men? Sorry. if any boy told me to F off, I am not and have not walked on by. For Petes sake no wonder our Towns are in the state they are in, when I read the comments of grown men refusing to stand up and be counted when it comes to what amounts to civic duty. I can understand the comments of many girls who come out of nightclubs saying, there were no men worth going out with, when you see what choice they had. What a bunch of wimps. Sorry fellers but if you want women to take you seriously you are going to have to try harder. Before you complain about the state of things , ask yourself what did you do about it? I see umpteen complaints about the police and schools and social services but they are often from those that walk on by. The difference between our generation and our parents generation is that they were not prepared to tolerate it. Do your self a favour , speak with these children, you may find that they actually are not the demons you imagine and they do listen. There are thousands of young persons all over the Island who never get into trouble. It is only the tiny minority and they only get away with it because adults refuse to take charge and deal with matters when they happen. Don't blame others blame yourself unless you are prepared to do something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebees Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeky boy Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Hopefully the UK will eventually shift towards a more continental attitude to drink: a couple of glasses of wine with dinner or a few beers on an evening out, rather than working towards the primary objective of getting as drunk as possible as quickly as possible. How can we expect our kids to drink responsibly if we're such poor role models? I feel really embarassed to be British when I'm out with my friends in Prague and see groups (usually stag and hen parties) of Brits acting like complete arses. Thankfully they confine themselves to the touristy bars for the most part. It's a north south thing.the celtic types are hard drinkers and will never accommodate to the moderate Meditteranean style of social drinking If you can buy buckfast or Tennants Super then your area will not suddenly go continental I am now entering the autumn of my life ater many years of exccess all area and I think it may be time to setltle down with some long term sick benefits and take up a cracK & smack habit. Will definately save the taxpayer in the long run as I will expire quicker than my healthy counterpart thus saving years of beneiit cheques. I will also probably peg out in private without the costly benefits of hospital doctors, nurses etc, This scheme's a winner, provide free cocaine, smack & viagra along wit porn channels to the over 60s and the pension crisis is ov Definitley putting this in my next manifesti l Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Juan C - your sentiments are all well and good but realistically, what can an adult do when some chav decides to hurl abuse at you or damage your property? You can't hit them or you'll end up in court yourself and quite frankly, there's no talking to them either as all you'll get is a load of abuse back and then you're back at square 1! You can only really report them and hope that the appropriate action is taken which, if charges are ever pressed, results in you taking time off work to go to court - great if you work for someone else but pretty shite if you run your own business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossils Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 I agree with a lot of what Juan has to say. The whole fabric of civilised society is being undermined and, in many areas, has been destroyed, directly as a result of the selfishness, apathy and cowardice of the general public. Tolerance should not mean putting up with all the anti-social, uncivilised behaviour that yobbery can throw at you. Vandalism, for example, is on the increase here because less people are prepared to stop it or report whoever is doing it. A neighbour that I thought would have been strong in his actions against such acts said, "I didn't want to say anything in case I found my car scratched in the morning." The Nanny State is breeding spineless citizens. It is Stand Up & Be Counted Time here now too. Anarchy will only rule, if we allow it to. If you don't agree with this you've already been filleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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