maggle Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Fair enough then, How far do you want to go. Perhaps we should stop all boats and flights to the Island until it is all over. Make everybody stay at home. That will restrict the potential movement of the virus. Totally unnecessary and in reality would not make a blind bit of difference. That is what we are discussing. Not that some precautions are not necessary but that many that have been introduced are and will not make a blind bit of difference one way or the other. The question is: how far would you go to protect the Island way of life? I agree stopping boats and planes would be a little silly at this time but it might have to be considered if things were to get out of hand. There do seem to be a lot of people shouting about not being able to access footpaths, I don't think people understand the urgency of the situation. I think the Dhoon goats are another cause for concern, hundreds of the buggers now, a totally unmanageable risk. Also, the post office isn't delivering to farms at the moment, that is a giant pain in the ass but something that we will have to live with for the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frances Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 I agree stopping boats and planes would be a little silly at this time but it might have to be considered if things were to get out of hand. great - the Island would run out of food within 5 days except for spuds + milk (assuming that theymay be removed from the farm) - no meat as abbatoir should be shut first - the Island is no longer based on agriculture - the free trade in meat due in 3 or 4 years will kill off much of the livestock industry anyway unless it specialises - the Ro-Ro imported meat will undercut locally slaughtered meat - as will import of milk kill off any local dairying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Well, us whites on this island only eat chips, so we'd be alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggle Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Everyone seems to have an opinion as to what course of action to take. What do you (all) suggest the IOM Government should do to combat the risk of F&M getting to our shores and what should we do as individuals to protect our way of life and the farming industry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Maggle, I understand that this virus can be airborne spread, which is why so much was made of burning infected carcasses in 2001. Over what distance can it be spread? Are we far enough away to be safe? This is a serious question. Are the dhoon goats, the same ones on the hillside that overlook laxey harbour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggle Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 The virus is apparently destroyed by heat, so in theory, burning the carcasses would be safe. The Dhoon goats inhabit the cliffs between Laxey and Maughold and there are hundreds of them. They often venture onto the coast road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Alright, how far could the virus spread via wind, but not from burnt carcasses, could it reach us from England, Scotland or Wales, across the water? There seems to be a very strong suggestion that it could have come from the lab, via an air vent. I've never seen a goat on the coast road, thank goodness. I'm at the harbour in Laxey at weekends and it used to be spot the goat, lately it's count the goats. By the way, we're getting our post much earlier now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Well if they do not understand the urgency of the situation they should not be setting down the current policy! I can not speak for anyone else but I believe I have a very good understanding of the present situation and to me the IoM is currently over reacting. This is backed up by the fact that the steps it is taking are not being taken by anybody else and discussions I have had with former senior government vets in the UK. Now either the UK, Ireland, Channel Island, France etc are being very blase on the matter or we are OTT. I believe it is the latter and nobody has yet explained while the IoM's actions are completely out of line with everybody elses. If somebody would like to explain why we are a biggere risk than those countries, or they amend their policies to match the IoMs then I may reconsider. There do seem to be a lot of people shouting about not being able to access footpaths, I don't think people understand the urgency of the situation. I think the Dhoon goats are another cause for concern, hundreds of the buggers now, a totally unmanageable risk. Also, the post office isn't delivering to farms at the moment, that is a giant pain in the ass but something that we will have to live with for the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 The simple answer is basically no as the virus is generally the virus can not spread that far via wind. When F&M was announced in Surrey on Friday night the person I was with's first question was how close was the outbreak to Pirbright. The reasoning being that generally the source of a F&M outbreak is not cattle. It must have been transmitted from somewhere else first. When they saw where the farm was in relation to Pirbright on Saturday they ruled out Pirbright as the source, or at least if it was the source that it was not carried by the wind as the distance was to far and we are only talking a few miles. It is for this reason that the current investigation with regard to any "leak" from Perbright are not looking at airbourne transmission as the distances are two far. I believe generally you are looking at an airbourne spread of two or three miles max Before anybody picks me up on the above I have said generally it can not spread that far. In the right favourable climatic conditions in can. Relative Humidity must be above 55% I believe the 1981 Outbreak in the Isle of White and Jersey may have spread by the wind but that I think was never confirmed. It was only stated as a possible cause. In 1982 it was also the reason for possible spread between Germany and Denmark. In both cases the spread was from pigs to cattle which is important as pigs provide a high output of airborne virus and cattle are sensitive to it. Alright, how far could the virus spread via wind, but not from burnt carcasses, could it reach us from England, Scotland or Wales, across the water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted August 8, 2007 Author Share Posted August 8, 2007 Could someone in the agricultural industry explain why we need regular livestock imports from anywhere. Why can we not breed our own for local consumption and meat exports? breeding stock with new blood is the short answer. you can see the problems continual inbreeding in foxdale. edit; you beat me to the foxdale punchline molly ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTucker Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Its on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Not necessarily. The council of ministers have apparently said it can go ahead but with spectator restrictions. I think it now goes back to the organising committee to see if they can live with so at best we can say it has not been cancelled Its on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted August 8, 2007 Author Share Posted August 8, 2007 if its not off, it's on. i can't be half on. so it's back to robbing tourists as usual. on another note, keeping spectators off the mountain seems an odd decission. the mountain is the only section that has marshals that are there to keep the sheep away from the fences along the course up there. between cronky voddey and kirk michael ( and in kirkmichael at the whitehouse ) and kirk michael and ballaugh and onto the wildlife park the sheep and cattle are right by the roads. the same is true for bits of greeba. it would seem the only places people should be is built up areas.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsbot Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 The Manx Grand Prix is to go ahead after the government relaxes restrictions put in place due to foot-and-mouth disease. Source : http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/world/...man/6938123.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 So restrictions are lifted? On the Beeb this am North West were running a "Guess where the presenter is?" type of event. Slow news day I suppose. Anyway, it looked to me like he was on Snaefell BUT the top seemed fenced off with barriers????? I'll have to wait until 6:30 pm to find out if that's where he actually is. The suspense will be killing not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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