access55 Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 I thought the alleged fraudulant act was the invoice for work supposeedly being marked as paid although from memory it had been suggested that wasn't true. I wouldn't have a clue personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 ........ accept that the above statement would also be inaccurate. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I didn’t say it would be any more accurate, just that it would be more damaging! Further, someone investigating whether it was economically viable to stash their 'wedge of dosh' in a tax haven, is not actually going to see their plan through to fruition - so how is that of benefit to the island? It's a non starter. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was being rather flippant about the wedge of dosh. My train of thought was, anyone with legitimate business interests or a need to manage their wealth may now have heard the term "tax haven" in relation to the Isle of Man. This term may not be accurate, but at least has made the person aware of a.) the Isle of Man and b.) the island has different taxation to that of England (for example). With only that information, a business-minded individual may well be motivated enough to find out exactly what the taxation status/possible benefits are in investing legitimately in the island, whereas without any such term about the island, they would not. I.e. No publicity is bad publicity. I'm certainly no expert on such matters though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumlin Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Ripsay I have just been told that the Police have had the QS in and the Builders are in on Wensday. Grants are paid on the lowest sum,ie if the quote is lower than the final cost then a grant is paid on the quote. Maybe thats why they had a planning problem, parts of the work that were not done on the holiday cottages were then done on his house. Save money on the Tourist property and spend it on your house and dont tell the DTL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barby Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Crumlin I do hope that you are not going to force this forum down through speculative accusation! Please remember that its Unisol's peace of mind you're playing with here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCMR Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Crumlins spot on The police have interviewd the QS and we are to see the on 17/11/04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Crumlins spot onThe police have interviewd the QS and we are to see the on 17/11/04 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why is it that some of you still bury your heads in the sand and insist that there are no problems with corruption on your island. I attempted to take out a petition of doleance to bring to the attention of your courts the scale of incompetence and corruption within your 'system' but have been blocked by heavy handed techniques similar to Roly. Some of you seem obsessed by taking pointless pokes at the Guardian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 by the way according to your previous CM you are protected by the European Convention on Human Rights: HUMAN RIGHTS OFFICER TO BE APPOINTED A COORDINATING officer has been appointed to oversee human rights legislation being brought into Manx law over the next two years. Chief Minister Donald Gelling said the remaining provisions in the Human Rights Act would take until 2003 to introduce to allow government departments and statutory boards time to review the legislation and practices and to train staff. Mr Gelling said: A coordinating officer has been added to the chief secretary s office for two years beginning on April 2 this year to assist in managing the lead-in time. Mr Gelling was responding to questions at Tuesday s House of Keys sitting from Leonard Singer (APG, Ramsey) on when the rest of the Human Rights Act will come into force and whether the Island can claim to have incorporated the European Convention on Human Rights into domestic legislation until the full act is implemented. The act will enable human rights cases can be dealt with in Manx courts rather than the court in Strasbourg. Mr Gelling outlined the current situation saying: Citizens of the Island have been protected by the convention of human rights for many years and that protection continues and is assisted by the new act. The Island can certainly claim to have incorporated the convention into domestic legislation, notwithstanding that all the provisions of the act have not yet come into effect. 19 April 2001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blixo Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 re Guardian Article No mention of any of this on manxradio.com. Thought they didn't give in to political pressure?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 I think the islands journalism, or should I say lack of, is rather depressing - it's like being wrapped in selective cotton wool and reminds me of the the three (wise?) monkeys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blixo Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Maybe the Island should be quarantined, as selective memory & journalism syndrome appears to be running wild. PUT UP, SHUT UP, NONE OF YOUR BLEEDIN BUSINESS edited: its spreading, selective typing syndrome!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 re Guardian Article No mention of any of this on manxradio.com. Thought they didn't give in to political pressure?? Bhutto's husband now admits owning £4m estate Brian Whitaker Saturday August 21, 2004 The Guardian The jailed husband of the former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto has admitted owning a £4.35m estate in Surrey which the Pakistani authorities say was bought with the proceeds of corruption. Asif Zardari, who was the investment minister in his wife's government and acquired the nickname Mr Ten Per Cent, had previously denied any connection with Rockwood Estate, which includes a 20-room mansion and two farms on 365 acres of land. The property was sold by a liquidator last month and the effect of Mr Zardari's sudden U-turn is to block - at least for the time being - efforts by Pakistan to collect its share of the proceeds. According to the Pakistani government, Mr Zardari and/or Ms Bhutto bought Rockwood Estate in 1995 during her second term as prime minister and disguised the ownership through three companies registered in the Isle of Man, which in turn were owned by trusts. When newspaper reports first linked Ms Bhutto and her husband with the property, they both issued denials. Mr Zardari said indignantly: "How can anyone think of buying a mansion in England when people in Pakistan don't even have a roof over their heads?" Ms Bhutto continues to deny her involvement. Soon after the purchase of the estate, an extravagant refurbishment programme began, during which Paul Keating, a builder who worked on the project, met Mr Zardari several times and received instructions from him. During one visit to Rockwood, Mr Zardari called at the village pub, the Dog and Pheasant, and liked it so much that he offered to buy it. When told that it was not for sale, he asked Mr Keating to build a replica of its bar in the basement of his mansion. While Mr Keating was working at Rockwood, crates of artefacts weighing 7.5 tonnes arrived by air from Pakistan. They contained 14 antique rifles, 19 bundles of carpets, furniture - including a nine-metre (30ft) cut glass Italian table - a stuffed tiger, wood carvings, statues, and 16 oil paintings. Some of the rifles were engraved with Mr Zardari's name. Building work continued through the spring and summer of 1996. There were plans for a helipad, a nine-hole golf course, an extension to the indoor swimming pool and a paddock for the polo ponies. The bathrooms were decorated with marble, doors were covered in copper and the master bedroom was reinforced with girders to protect it against bombs. In November 1996, after three years in power, Ms Bhutto's government was dismissed by the Pakistani president for "corruption, misrule and nepotism". One of several accusations against her and her husband is that they took illegal commissions from companies carrying out customs inspections of goods being imported into Pakistan. According to documents cited in a Swiss court last year, commissions totalling $8.2m (£4.5m) were paid to Bomer Finance Inc, a company registered in the British Virgin Islands. Although Mr Zardari was described as the beneficial owner of Bomer Finance, the court heard that Ms Bhutto had been the only person to make use of its funds before they were frozen at the request of the Pakistani authorities. She allegedly bought a £117,000 diamond necklace from a Knightsbridge jeweller with money from Bomer. She and her husband dispute these charges and the Swiss case is continuing. Refurbishment at Rockwood stopped abruptly about the time Ms Bhutto fell from power. Mr Keating refused to budge from the estate, claiming non-payment for work he had done. He eventually left last month after it was bought by a local businessman. He told the Guardian that he had received a cheque for £500,000, with a promise of £150,000 to come. Towards the end of last year a liquidator for the three Manx companies (Romina Properties, Winkford Farm and Parsonage Farm) reached a compromise with various claimants for disposing of the proceeds of the Rockwood sale. After paying creditors, the remaining money - believed to be most of the £4.35m sale price - would go to the Pakistani government. The deal needed approval from a Manx court and when the case came up before Deemster (Judge) Kerruish last Monday, a lawyer representing Mr Zardari objected. He told the court Mr Zardari, who is serving a jail sentence in Pakistan for corruption, was the beneficial owner of Rockwood Estate and was willing to pay off some of the creditors. He asked for eight weeks to provide evidence of Mr Zardari's ownership. The judge adjourned the case until December 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCMR Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 More to come from the Guardian, todays story had to be reduced due to the death of Mr Arafat. Reporters from the Guardian were in court today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 todays story had to be reduced due to the death of Mr Arafat Without prejudice: But no, it wasn't / didn't. You either made that up or else have unreliable sources. Yes - they will probably follow up the story. Which is a different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celt Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 You either made that up or else have unreliable sourcesBit confused with that as you say he's wrong or misinformed, then say Yes - they will probably follow up the story. All MCMR said realy was, More to come from the Guardian, Nothing more nothing less really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 Very simple. The story was not "reduced due to the death of Mr Arafat". He either made that up or else misunderstood something which someone had told him. Check with The Guardian, themselves, Monday morning, if you need clarification of the point. They're normally good at answering such questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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