Dodger Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Remember the missing 25 million peoples details...... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7124303.stm And there's more, this data has been missing since September 18th! http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/c...icle2983759.ece Seems that the government is hemoraging data! Are you still confident with them having your details on a national register?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ai_Droid Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Remember the missing 25 million peoples details...... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7124303.stm An article about the ability to purchase personal details online, with no link to the government at all? What's your point, other than that stronger personal data security is required accross the board, not just in government? Why yet another thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted December 3, 2007 Author Share Posted December 3, 2007 Remember the missing 25 million peoples details...... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7124303.stm An article about the ability to purchase personal details online, with no link to the government at all? What's your point, other than that stronger personal data security is required accross the board, not just in government? Why yet another thread? The government departments are the ones loosing the information?! The article refers to the data being available to purchase online again linking in the data loss to criminal activity and that personal details are being compromised. This is not about ID cards but about data storage and the loss via mishandling of the data. You can make a system more difficult to penetrate, but can you stop someone who has access for downloading it and not encripting/password protecting the data?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempus Fugit Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 beware a scam phone call purporting to be from VISA or Mastercard, telling of unuaual transactions and asking for your security number off the back of your card, supposedly to put a refund on your account ( obviously not just a local report !, 380 hits on google with just a snatch of the text) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ai_Droid Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 The government departments are the ones loosing the information?! The article refers to the data being available to purchase online again linking in the data loss to criminal activity and that personal details are being compromised. I'm not sure if you're deliberately dim and don't actually read the stuff you link, or you're leaving out the key information to further your own propoganda. Either way, you're wrong. This article doesn't have anything to do with the government. It refers to this article in the times: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2988471.ece Which is reporting the trade in stolen bank and credit card details, including pins. This doesn't suggest it's government data, does it? Quoted from the article: Criminals use three main methods to extract personal information - Viruses contained in e-mails that install malicious software to collect information such as login names, bank account details and credit card numbers. Make sure you use up-to-date antivirus software - Handheld credit card readers are used to “skim” cards and copy data that is then used to clone another one. Check your accounts regulary for unusual transactions - Bin raiders go through rubbish bins to find discarded bank statements and utility bills. Make sure that all personal documents are shredded before you throw them out How's this linked to the government? This is not about ID cards but about data storage and the loss via mishandling of the data. You can make a system more difficult to penetrate, but can you stop someone who has access for downloading it and not encripting/password protecting the data?! Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted December 3, 2007 Author Share Posted December 3, 2007 beware a scam phone call purporting to be from VISA or Mastercard, telling of unuaual transactions and asking for your security number off the back of your card, supposedly to put a refund on your account "I need your bank account details and sort code so we can send you the monies....." This is the problem they already have them, they were within the details that have now been put up for sale on the internet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted December 3, 2007 Author Share Posted December 3, 2007 The government departments are the ones loosing the information?! The article refers to the data being available to purchase online again linking in the data loss to criminal activity and that personal details are being compromised. I'm not sure if you're deliberately dim and don't actually read the stuff you link, or you're leaving out the key information to further your own propoganda. Either way, you're wrong. This article doesn't have anything to do with the government. It refers to this article in the times: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2988471.ece Which is reporting the trade in stolen bank and credit card details, including pins. This doesn't suggest it's government data, does it? Quoted from the article: Criminals use three main methods to extract personal information - Viruses contained in e-mails that install malicious software to collect information such as login names, bank account details and credit card numbers. Make sure you use up-to-date antivirus software - Handheld credit card readers are used to “skim” cards and copy data that is then used to clone another one. Check your accounts regulary for unusual transactions - Bin raiders go through rubbish bins to find discarded bank statements and utility bills. Make sure that all personal documents are shredded before you throw them out How's this linked to the government? This is not about ID cards but about data storage and the loss via mishandling of the data. You can make a system more difficult to penetrate, but can you stop someone who has access for downloading it and not encripting/password protecting the data?! Yes. Pity that the UK government couldn't...............We obviously have all the good IT people on the IOM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3v0 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 beware a scam phone call purporting to be from VISA or Mastercard, telling of unuaual transactions and asking for your security number off the back of your card, supposedly to put a refund on your account "I need your bank account details and sort code so we can send you the monies....." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 This is not about ID cards but about data storage and the loss via mishandling of the data. You can make a system more difficult to penetrate, but can you stop someone who has access for downloading it and not encripting/password protecting the data?! Yes. The impossible often has a kind of integrity which the merely improbable lacks. Douglas Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted December 3, 2007 Author Share Posted December 3, 2007 From The Sunday TimesDecember 2, 2007 More financial data discs lostJon Ungoed-Thomas A NEW fraud alert was issued by the government this weekend as it confirmed that it had lost another computer disc containing the personal financial details of 40,000 housing benefit claimants. The unencrypted disc was sent by courier by a West Yorkshire council to the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP). Officials raised concerns that the disc might be missing on September 18. It has still not been found. “We have been carefully monitoring all the details of people who might be affected and there is no evidence of fraud,” said a DWP spokesman. “We believe this disc is still somewhere in the system.” The disc was sent from Kirklees council to the DWP as part of its work monitoring benefits payments. The department has now stopped receiving or sending any electronic data by courier or recorded post. In a separate incident, it was disclosed this weekend that another disc containing the bank details, salaries, National Insurance numbers and home addresses of more than 6,500 public sector workers has also been lost. The disc with data on workers, including teachers, in Torbay, Devon, is believed to have gone missing after being sent in the post as part of a government antifraud initiative. It was one of several discs containing highly sensitive data that were sent to a private data company to check the files of public sector employees for possible fraud. Under the Audit Commission’s national fraud initiative (NFI), information from 1,300 public bodies is sent to a Staffordshire-based company, Synectics Solutions. “The Audit Commission assists public sector organisations in tracking down suspicious payments by comparing records of those claiming pensions, housing benefits and other entitlements,” said a spokeswoman. “The last NFI exercise detected fraud and overpayments to the value of £111m.” Torbay council launched an investigation in March 2007 when it realised that a disc had gone missing after being sent for the fraud checks. The collection of data for the NFI has also raised concerns in other parts of the country. One official who works for a National Health Service trust in southeast England said: “We were told that all our data were being sent, but we didn’t have any choice in the matter. It obviously makes you very concerned when you see how much information the government has lost.” I have put the "OBVIOUS" within bold for AI Droid to see, which article were YOU reading?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ai_Droid Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 The one you linked, at the top. It's still there, and it doesn't refer to the government. Your last rant again highlights two options: 1) That the government doesn't hold this data 2) That the data needs to be more secure Option 1 isn't possible. These people need paying their benefits, so the government must have the data. So it must be option 2, which some kind of centralised database would actually make the data more secure. So what's your point exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3v0 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Pity that the UK government couldn't...............We obviously have all the good IT people on the IOM! But of course we do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted December 3, 2007 Author Share Posted December 3, 2007 The one you linked, at the top. It's still there, and it doesn't refer to the government. Your last rant again highlights two options: 1) That the government doesn't hold this data 2) That the data needs to be more secure Option 1 isn't possible. These people need paying their benefits, so the government must have the data. So it must be option 2, which some kind of centralised database would actually make the data more secure. So what's your point exactly? My point is that data can still be lost/stolen irrespective of who holds the data and also it doens't matter what IT protection there is if the data is lost by someone with access. Having it all centralised will not protect you from this! People make mistakes! For example instead of kidnapping a bank manager's family, they kidnap a person's family who has access rights, they copy the data and instead of just loosing what is in one bank.................... The fact that there are IT people means that the technology is continuously changing, as does the threat to computerised systems. You may be able to make a password/software that is unbreakable, but for how long? Probably til you sell it to your first customer and tell them how to password protect! There are people out there that break codes for fun, never mind profit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ai_Droid Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 My point is that data can still be lost/stolen irrespective of who holds the data and also it doens't matter what IT protection there is if the data is lost by someone with access. Having it all centralised will not protect you from this! People make mistakes! You make some pretty weak connections. Money gets stolen all the time, should we stop using it? Is everwhere that holds money insecure? Because one bank gets robbed, should we stop having banks? Besides, the article you linked, which I quoted, and you ignored, had the source of the data as the individuals themselves. For example instead of kidnapping a bank manager's family, they kidnap a person's family who has access rights, they copy the data and instead of just loosing what is in one bank....................The fact that there are IT people means that the technology is continuously changing, as does the threat to computerised systems. You may be able to make a password/software that is unbreakable, but for how long? Probably til you sell it to your first customer and tell them how to password protect! There are people out there that break codes for fun, never mind profit! You didn't get my point. The goverement needs this data to operate. What's your alternative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Guys, can we try to keep these repetitive arguments into one thread? I can't be the only one growing weary of seeing a new topic every day on the same subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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