Manx Workers

[wideload]

i do hope all his none Manx workers have work permits.......

[ans]

But, to say "manx people are lazy" is on a par with saying "Scottish (or Arabs) people are tight" or "Pakistanis are terrorists". It's a fucking ridiculous thing to say.

 

But he didn't say that.

[Mr. Sausages]

Big Dave did.

 

The original letter also implied it.

We have found that Manx workers are often so laid back and unwilling to go the extra mile that they can make themselves unemployable.

The exception to this is Manx workers who have spent some time working in the UK and have developed a work ethic. Quite often at 5.30pm there will be several empty seats and several people still on the telephone working.

 

Implying that only Manx people who have worked in the UK have a work ethic and are employable (i.e. not lazy).

[ans]

Big Dave did.

 

Get some quote skills!

 

(I missed his post)

 

 

Implying that only Manx people who have worked in the UK have a work ethic and are employable (i.e. not lazy).

 

He's not saying 'only'. He's saying 'often'.

[Mr. Sausages]

But he is saying that THE exception (singular) is those who have worked off the island. That rules out a hell of a lot of hard working people, and is a rash generalisation.

[magneto]

REGARDING your recent feature on Polish workers settling in the Island.

We operate an expanding business within the finance sector and would not be able to operate without UK and Eastern European workers.

We have found that Manx workers are often so laid back and unwilling to go the extra mile (work for free)that they can make themselves unemployable.

The exception to this is Manx workers who have spent some time working in the UK and have developed a work ethic. Quite often at 5.30pm there will be several empty seats and several people still on the telephone working (Making me lot's money).

The empty seats always belong to the locals who have never left the Island. Perhaps the nationalists should bare this in mind before criticising outsiders for taking their jobs

FROM: Steven Tuffail, Corporate Tax Avoidance Specialist

[ans]

But he is saying that THE exception (singular) is those who have worked off the island. That rules out a hell of a lot of hard working people, and is a rash generalisation.

 

No. He's saying this

 

Manx People = Often Lazy

Manx People who have worked off Island = Never Lazy

 

You can't extrapolate "Manx People who have not worked off Island = Always Lazy" from this data. There is no evidence to suggest this. There's nothing in those two statement that he has made that suggests this.

 

You can take implication both ways, but lets deal with what he did say, not what you made up.

[Cronky]

What a thoroughly rude man.

[Declan]

Does anyone know where he is a manager? Might help a few jobseekers avoid his management skills.

[Mission]

I think the jobseekers have more pressing things on their minds tbh

[Mr. Sausages]

But he is saying that THE exception (singular) is those who have worked off the island. That rules out a hell of a lot of hard working people, and is a rash generalisation.

 

No. He's saying this

 

Manx People = Often Lazy

Manx People who have worked off Island = Never Lazy

 

You can't extrapolate "Manx People who have not worked off Island = Always Lazy" from this data. There is no evidence to suggest this. There's nothing in those two statement that he has made that suggests this.

 

You can take implication both ways, but lets deal with what he did say, not what you made up.

 

Point taken, however I'm very comfortable with my conclusion of his implications - i.e. that what he did say implied that manx people are lazy. Others in this thread have come to the same conclusion, (Nail on the head. They are lazy...) (Yeah us manx workers are lazy..). The implication is that all Manx workers (who've never worked off the Island) have the same work ethic. There's no distinction made between those who are "often lazy" and those otherwise. Plus "Manx People who have worked off Island = Never Lazy" is equally as ridiculous a rash generalisation. The point of his letter was not to highlight the great work ethics of those who have worked off the island and then returned (Never lazy!!!), but to point out the supposed failings of those who have never worked off the island.

 

I also think that your comment "Non manx people do have a greater work ethic though" is on a par.

 

Edit: Alcohol!

[macmannin]

I think if your a local,with a wide range of family/interests/friends you have more of a social life than the newbies,who are often in shitty accomodation and with far less of a social circle.That keeps them at work.The island has changed so much in the last few decades,seem everyone is chasing the money to pay off their massive mortages,or to keep up with the neighbours.The economic climate keeps us slaving away,its an obsession here......

Anyways im off to work,full weekend ahead of work...work...work

[Lonan3]

When I was about 17 I went to work in London.

In a new job, it's always difficult to find the balance between seeming enthustiastic and downright crawling. I thought I had it about right and was finding it pretty easy going when I was taken to task by one of the more experienced blokes.

 

"FFS, son!" he said. "I don't know where you're from but you're going to have to learn to slow down! Nobody works hard in London!"

[Pragmatopian]

A pretty stupid thing to say - everywhere I've been there has been a mixture of workshy scumbags, model emoployees and everything in between.

 

I would also make the point that, in offices at least, working long hours does not necessarily equal more work done. A focussed, effective employee can accomplish in four hours what an unfocused, ineffective one can in 10. Do you want 'lazy' Candidate A putting in an 8 hour day or 'hardworking' Candidate B putting in 10?

[Sparky]

I would also make the point that, in offices at least, working long hours does not necessarily equal more work done. A focussed, effective employee can accomplish in four hours what an unfocused, ineffective one can in 10. Do you want 'lazy' Candidate A putting in an 8 hour day or 'hardworking' Candidate B putting in 10?

 

I agree, if you accomplish in 8 hours what you are supposed to accomplish why shouldn't you go home? I used to work in an environment where once you had achieved your days work you could go, so if you finished in 7 hours you went home an hour early but got paid for the 8.

 

Too much emphasis today is paid to how long you work rather than the quality of work you produce. You get lazy workers everywhere, this is not unique to the IoM or the Manx, it is up to the managers who manage these people to make sure that they resolve individual problems and not tar everyone with the same brush.

 

If there is a problem here on the IoM it is that employment law and conditions are way behind the rest of Europe, many companies on the Island still have a 40 hour week as contracted hours and 20 - 22 days holiday + bank holidays giving a max of 30 days. An increasing number of companies in the EU have a 35 hour week and an average of 35 days holiday inc bank hols without seeing a loss in productivity, what does this say about working long hours!