sarahc Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 I would be annoyed if they all got digital tv as a right, but I don't think that is going to happen. The report say's the question relates to TV's in every cell. They could earn/lose minutes of TV depending on behaviour. The power could be switched on/off externally? And they could be used to communicate with the inmates: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cret Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Or perhaps they could be used to provide subliminal messages to the people in there to become splendid, crime free members of society, instead of habitually bad people that prey on others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alias Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Get you in the mood for the weekly Prison Break episode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triskelion Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 I think its important to make the distinction here between digital TVs and digital television. I know the question concerns both, but it isn't better for the prisoners to digital TVs. I can't imagine where you would get 15-Inch CRT TVs these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Sheriff Joe Arpaio found he couldn't actually remove tv from his inmates. He could, however, choose what they watched: the cable TV system (mandated by court order) was severely blocked by Arpaio to limit viewing to those stations Arpaio deems to be "educational", mainly Animal Planet, Disney Channel, The Weather Channel, A&E, CNN, and the local government access channel. Thinking about the suicide problem in prisons the last item is probably not such a good idea for the IOM.... More here from "America's toughest sheriff" who seems to have a raft of enemies as well - always a good sign IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 However many TV's they are getting it would make no sense fitting analogue ones when the analogue signal is to be turned off and we will all have to go digital in a couple of years. We may be on terrestrial freeview, the new BBC/ITV satellite freeview, coming shortly on Astra 4, or Sky either free to air or with a subscription Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I don't see the problem with this. Prisoners have already been removed from society so they have nowhere near the freedoms that most other citizens have, that is the punishment. Maybe the degree of punishment that should be meted out to criminals is in question. On one extreme you keep a prisoner completely isolated with absolutely no contact with the outside world and no forms on entertainment and basically keep them in total isolation. Or you could allow them lots of different forms of entertainment and give them the ability to have some socialisation with others, but they will still be imprioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macmannin Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Only wings in Victoria road not to have a Tv in the cell at present are the seg,beast wing and A wing.Your point is.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxy Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Is there any point arguing the 'do gooders' society these days? You betcha You know that the prisoners get pampered, given choice of meals, given free drugs, accommodation, gym, exercise, heating and looking at some of the ex offenders comments (by the looks of some threads and you can spot them a mile out) they deserve all they can get inside jail. Well is it right? They offend against society, causing goodness knows what damage to the ordinary citizens and in some cases, are better off for being inside! I like the USA system - 3 and away. Lock the recidivist scum up (Thanks ZZ for the pm) I'm just waiting for the usual pair of 'likely' ex offenders to disagree with me now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyboarder Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Is there any point arguing the 'do gooders' society these days? You betcha You know that the prisoners get pampered, given choice of meals, given free drugs, accommodation, gym, exercise, heating and looking at some of the ex offenders comments (by the looks of some threads and you can spot them a mile out) they deserve all they can get inside jail. Well is it right? They offend against society, causing goodness knows what damage to the ordinary citizens and in some cases, are better off for being inside! I like the USA system - 3 and away. Lock the recidivist scum up (Thanks ZZ for the pm) I'm just waiting for the usual pair of 'likely' ex offenders to disagree with me now! Disagree with what exactly? Your lunatic like ramblings appear completely devoid of a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempus Fugit Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 play 'cell-block H' or 'Big Brother' every night and it might be a deterrent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Is there any point arguing the 'do gooders' society these days? You betcha You know that the prisoners get pampered, given choice of meals, given free drugs, accommodation, gym, exercise, heating and looking at some of the ex offenders comments (by the looks of some threads and you can spot them a mile out) they deserve all they can get inside jail. Well is it right? They offend against society, causing goodness knows what damage to the ordinary citizens and in some cases, are better off for being inside! I'm just waiting for the usual pair of 'likely' ex offenders to disagree with me now! Do prisoners get pampered? I wouldn't agree with people getting PAMPERED whilst in prison but a choice of meals, gym access, exercise, heating, are you being serious here? It isn't exactly getting pampered. Do you feel a sense of being pampered when you switch your heating on? I don't. On the issue of free drugs, I was under the impression that the 'free drugs' were administered under a rehabilitation scheme. Who are these ex-offenders you talk of? Do you actually mean people who have been convicted before? As to people offending society I think you are correct but I think one must also consider that such behaviour is often a reaction to the society that these people came from and after their term is over they are supposed to conform to become the ordinary citizens that you speak of. I am no expert on criminal reform but I wonder how that is achieved by denying people a basic freedom of socialisation with the wider society and then making them suffer. But going back to the issue, it is only a TV! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxy Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 If they are treated better inside jail than outside, I don't see what their incentive to reform is. It seems the same names keep cropping up in the papers or radio all the time and therefore it would appear that they haven't learned anything at all. Some offenders blame society, but some also can't accept responsibility for their actions and come and go to prison as if its of no real consequence. If they disliked the place, then they wouldn't keep coming back, would they? So why give them personal comforts? I bet their victims are feeling peeved off with the injustice of it all? The public has to pay for their electricity, personal items, TV's and such like and they're getting it for free. I'm yet to be convinced that giving TV's to criminals is the right way forward and no one yet has convinced me otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 If they are treated better inside jail than outside, I don't see what their incentive to reform is. It seems the same names keep cropping up in the papers or radio all the time and therefore it would appear that they haven't learned anything at all. Some offenders blame society, but some also can't accept responsibility for their actions and come and go to prison as if its of no real consequence. If they disliked the place, then they wouldn't keep coming back, would they? So why give them personal comforts? I bet their victims are feeling peeved off with the injustice of it all? The public has to pay for their electricity, personal items, TV's and such like and they're getting it for free. I'm yet to be convinced that giving TV's to criminals is the right way forward and no one yet has convinced me otherwise. I can see your point in the first line but if they are treated better in a PRISON, what sort of society did they exist in beforehand? It may be then that you would have to make their life in prison very difficult but this may mean that the punishment for the criminal far exceeds the impact of the crime. And then who is to say that the person would be reformed or not? There may be a degree of deterrence by making prison time more difficult but there are arguments to say that people do not necessarily consider the long-term consequences of their actions when they commit a crime. Taking away personal comforts may not have any effect whatsoever and may make it harder for people to integrate back into society. I suppose some offenders blame their society and how they were brought up, the community they came from, etc., which makes a lot of sense but they should take responsibility for their actions. I don't know what way is best for this to be achieved but it obviously isn't achieved well by imprisoning people. I think the problem is more about the manner in which people are punished, i.e. imprisonment, rather than prisoners having an easy time in the prisons. I am not too sure about the issue of the victims sense of justice. I think the victim and the community should demand some sense of justice but I don't know in what manner and I don't think it is well served by prison sentences. Some people look to exact revenge on the offenders and others would prefer that the criminal takes some form of responsibility for their actions. But if you have an issue with the cost of imprisonment does this not stand in contradiction to your belief that offenders should serve longer terms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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