bluemonday Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Clicky The country ordered ISPs to block the video-sharing website because of content deemed offensive to Islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I don't understand it. Why don't they also ban our western-decadent: air traffic control, aircraft parts, cars, computers, medicine, television, radio and other technology that may tempt them away from a life of stone age goat herding and wife bashing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ai_Droid Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I don't understand it. Why don't they also ban our western-decadent: air traffic control, aircraft parts, cars, computers, medicine, television, radio and other technology that may tempt them away from a life of stone age goat herding and wife bashing? How does air traffic control, aircraft parts, cars, computers or medicine offend islam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I don't understand it. Why don't they also ban our western-decadent: air traffic control, aircraft parts, cars, computers, medicine, television, radio and other technology that may tempt them away from a life of stone age goat herding and wife bashing? How does air traffic control, aircraft parts, cars, computers or medicine offend islam? Only a couple of videos on the youtube website may do so - which they or many of us don't have to watch - and certainly not the site. It's called freedom of speech - remove anything that offends anyone and the world will grind to a halt or turn into your nightmare Orwellian NuShite socialist vision of the world. All bans have ever proven to do is stimulate even more interest - though I'd like to see what effect removing Cadbury's adverts from our screens would have on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ai_Droid Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Only a couple of videos on the youtube website may do so - which they or many of us don't have to watch - and certainly not the site. It's called freedom of speech - remove anything that offends anyone and the world will grind to a halt or turn into your nightmare Orwellian NuShite socialist vision of the world. All bans have ever proven to do is stimulate even more interest - though I'd like to see what effect removing Cadbury's adverts from our screens would have on you. But we don't have freedom of speech as you define it. Youtube is censored for us, the government in Pakistan just have different tolerances than ours. I don't understand your comparrisions, and I think you're talking out of your arse, once again. Always enjoy the buzzword ranting though, shows how desparate you are to resort to that bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Love the board index shortened version of the topic title. Whoops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Only a couple of videos on the youtube website may do so - which they or many of us don't have to watch - and certainly not the site. It's called freedom of speech - remove anything that offends anyone and the world will grind to a halt or turn into your nightmare Orwellian NuShite socialist vision of the world. All bans have ever proven to do is stimulate even more interest - though I'd like to see what effect removing Cadbury's adverts from our screens would have on you. But we don't have freedom of speech as you define it. Youtube is censored for us, the government in Pakistan just have different tolerances than ours. I don't understand your comparrisions, and I think you're talking out of your arse, once again. Always enjoy the buzzword ranting though, shows how desparate you are to resort to that bullshit. Of course youtube is censored to a certain extent - so that it does not break our laws. That doesn't mean our laws should be sharia law etc. though does it? A very fundamental principle of any liberal democracy is free speech - though I would agree by having no written constitution it is not clearly defined and specified. That 'buzzword ranting' as you call it actually represents very key fundamental political differences between you and I i.e. your socialist NuShite shortsightedness, don't think of the consequences and please every minority (that you agree with) approach, and my liberal democrat defence of civil liberties approach. Personally I think 'NuShite' sums that up very well, and taking into consideration your 'lynch mob' mentality approach to ID cards and civil liberties, 'Orwellian' is an apt description of your approach on those matters - simply because that is the result. Islam will never back down and is set on polluting every country it can possibly do so. If you want to sell out your own culture and values that's up to you - but you'll always have to get past people like me first if you expect others to follow - and there are a lot of us. Always remember there is a fundamental difference between tolerance, approval and acceptance - and although we may disagree with what some people say, we must agree they have the right to say it without fear of being physically threatened. Personally, I hold all religions in contempt to the same degree, and feel I should be allowed to say why, and not be intimidated by some catholic, protestant or 3rd century goat herder backed up with western-decadent semtex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ai_Droid Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Of course youtube is censored to a certain extent - so that it does not break our laws. That doesn't mean our laws should be sharia law etc. though does it? A very fundamental principle of any liberal democracy is free speech - though I would agree by having no written constitution it is not clearly defined and specified. You're all over the place, as usual. Who's saying anyting about our laws? This is thier laws, in thier country. Youtube isn't censored just for legal reasons either. Movies and games and televisin also aren't sensored for just legal reasons in this country. We don't have freedom of speech, we do have a different tolerance level to the Pakistan government, but calling them stone age because of this seems to me to be the pot calling the kettle black. That 'buzzword ranting' as you call it actually represents very key fundamental political differences between you and I i.e. your socialist NuShite shortsightedness, don't think of the consequences and please every minority (that you agree with) approach, and my liberal democrat defence of civil liberties approach. Personally I think 'NuShite' sums that up very well, and taking into consideration your 'lynch mob' mentality approach to ID cards and civil liberties, 'Orwellian' is an apt description of your approach on those matters - simply because that is the result. No, it shows your small minded, tunnel vision predudice, nothing more. Something that comes through time and time again. I've been very carefuly in my approach to the discussions about ID cards here, and nothing I've said equates to what you've made up in your own mind about me. Fuck knows how the rest of your ranting is applicable. And you've still not told me how air traffic control is offensive to Islam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Anyone want to see a word filter for 'NuShite' to 'Daffodil'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Fuck knows how the rest of your ranting is applicable. And you've still not told me how air traffic control is offensive to Islam? Obviously I mean they accept some things and not others, yet try to pollute our culture and values with theirs. I think we both know where we stand - so nuff said - it's like getting into a wendy-house washing machine debating with you. If you really think that anyone that believes that 'beheading a confessed witch is a required act in Sha’ia', or that 'scientific research, human cloning, robotics, plastic surgery, face implants etc these are all altering the course of nature ...of what Allah ta'ala had intended' doesn't need their bumps felt, and that I haven't the right to say they are a fuckwit and have to be held to account for saying so - then that's up to you. It's, quite literally, your loss - but don't try and make it mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonan3 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Anyone want to see a word filter for 'NuShite' to 'Daffodil'? How about 'Orwellian' to 'Utopian.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Anyone want to see a word filter for 'NuShite' to 'Daffodil'? How about 'Orwellian' to 'Utopian.' ...from '1984' As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of ‘The Times’ and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconscious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames. What happened in the unseen labyrinth to which the pneumatic tubes led, he did not know in detail, but he did know in general terms. As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of ‘The Times’ had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs—to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance. Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct, nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record. All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary. In no case would it have been possible, once the deed was done, to prove that any falsification had taken place. The largest section of the Records Department, far larger than the one on which Winston worked, consisted simply of persons whose duty it was to track down and collect all copies of books, newspapers, and other documents which had been superseded and were due for destruction. A number of ‘The Times’ which might, because of changes in political alignment, or mistaken prophecies uttered by Big Brother, have been rewritten a dozen times still stood on the files bearing its original date, and no other copy existed to contradict it. Books, also, were recalled and rewritten again and again, and were invariably reissued without any admission that any alteration had been made. Even the written instructions which Winston received, and which he invariably got rid of as soon as he had dealt with them, never stated or implied that an act of forgery was to be committed: always the reference was to slips, errors, misprints, or misquotations which it was necessary to put right in the interests of accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonan3 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Anyone want to see a word filter for 'NuShite' to 'Daffodil'? How about 'Orwellian' to 'Utopian.' ...from '1984' the reference was to slips, errors, misprints, or misquotations which it was necessary to put right in the interests of accuracy. God forbid that should ever be applied to the forums! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ai_Droid Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Obviously I mean they accept some things and not others, yet try to pollute our culture and values with theirs. I think we both know where we stand - so nuff said - it's like getting into a wendy-house washing machine debating with you. I don't think you've any idea where I stand, you've shown no accuracy in your attempts to pigeonhole me with your daft reddtop buzzwords. Where you stand is even more confused, you've got a very blinkered view that's largely from your own perspectife, often conflicting, and any opposition to it is laced with predudice and generalisations. So they (the Pakistan government) accept some thing's and not others? Isn't that true here too? Take for example the difference between our prostitution laws and the Netherlands. Our laws are far stricter and are largely in place due to religious influence. Should our country be stoned back to the dark ages because of this? If you really think that anyone that believes that 'beheading a confessed witch is a required act in Sha’ia', or that 'scientific research, human cloning, robotics, plastic surgery, face implants etc these are all altering the course of nature ...of what Allah ta'ala had intended' doesn't need their bumps felt, and that I haven't the right to say they are a fuckwit and have to be held to account for saying so - then that's up to you.It's, quite literally, your loss - but don't try and make it mine. Some good examples. Human cloning is illegal in this country too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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