ai_Droid Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 http://www.statewatch.org/news/2008/apr/ac...u-dp-letter.pdf Guess which company is responsible for the E Borders technology............Raytheon, the parent company is in the USA, so looks likely that the data would link through at some stage! My computer is made by a US company, does that mean all my data is being transmitted to the motherland? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted April 23, 2008 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 http://www.statewatch.org/news/2008/apr/ac...u-dp-letter.pdf Guess which company is responsible for the E Borders technology............Raytheon, the parent company is in the USA, so looks likely that the data would link through at some stage! My computer is made by a US company, does that mean all my data is being transmitted to the motherland? No. That would depend on whether you registered the product and associated software........ The IP address is logged and also linked to buzz words which will trip warnings at a computer centre, where they will assess the level of risk by reading or listening in onto converstions whether they are via phones, messenger, txt or email. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ai_Droid Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 That would depend on whether you registered the product and associated software........ The IP address is logged and also linked to buzz words which will trip warnings at a computer centre, where they will assess the level of risk by reading or listening in onto converstions whether they are via phones, messenger, txt or email. Oh you ill-informed crack smoking freak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted April 24, 2008 Author Share Posted April 24, 2008 That would depend on whether you registered the product and associated software........ The IP address is logged and also linked to buzz words which will trip warnings at a computer centre, where they will assess the level of risk by reading or listening in onto converstions whether they are via phones, messenger, txt or email. Oh you ill-informed crack smoking freak. Please inform me as to why I am so ill informed, I am not the only one who feels that there are Governments who will be holding large amounts of personal data on each of us and within multi jurisdictions. Of course they cannot make a mistake, the information cannot possibly be corrupted or misused! Can I Borrow your bong, won't ask you for a mirror though, it would already be cracked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted April 25, 2008 Author Share Posted April 25, 2008 Will we ever get consulted on this or will we just end up having e borders forced onto us? Using a department that is responsible for immigration and passports to advise on e borders, seems to be potentially bias? why are there no political members on the high level strategic group ? Why are the minutes not available to the public? If they have nothing to hide, why not share the information? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ai_Droid Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Please inform me as to why I am so ill informed, I am not the only one who feels that there are Governments who will be holding large amounts of personal data on each of us and within multi jurisdictions. Of course they cannot make a mistake, the information cannot possibly be corrupted or misused! I don't even know where to begin, your paranoia is so widespread and combined with your ignorance of how the interwebnet works leads you to utterly daft conclusions. It's clear you know arse all, yet continue to sprout on and on. It's quite depressing. Answer me this, if I send you a message and we're both on manx.net mail addresses, how does teh governent super sekret computarz intercept that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 The IP address is logged and also linked to buzz words which will trip warnings at a computer centre, where they will assess the level of risk by reading or listening in onto converstions whether they are via phones, messenger, txt or email. You've been watching too many Hollywood spy films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Answer me this, if I send you a message and we're both on manx.net mail addresses, how does teh governent super sekret computarz intercept that? Via Domicillium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Answer me this, if I send you a message and we're both on manx.net mail addresses, how does teh governent super sekret computarz intercept that? Via Domicillium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted April 25, 2008 Author Share Posted April 25, 2008 Please inform me as to why I am so ill informed, I am not the only one who feels that there are Governments who will be holding large amounts of personal data on each of us and within multi jurisdictions. Of course they cannot make a mistake, the information cannot possibly be corrupted or misused! I don't even know where to begin, your paranoia is so widespread and combined with your ignorance of how the interwebnet works leads you to utterly daft conclusions. It's clear you know arse all, yet continue to sprout on and on. It's quite depressing. Answer me this, if I send you a message and we're both on manx.net mail addresses, how does teh governent super sekret computarz intercept that? How about something closer to home, promoting an event on energy FM run by proboards http://iomevents.proboards62.com/index.cgi?board=gigguide ProBoards.com (the "Provider") is providing a service to individuals (the "User") who are at least 18 years old or minors 13 years old and above who have parental permission. To use our service, you must agree to all the following: 1. SERVICES PROVIDED Under this agreement, the Provider will provide the following services; which herein known as the "Services" in this agreement: Access to utilize the Provider's message board services. Access to documents such as FAQ's and documentation. All documentation is provided on an "as is" basis, with no expressed or implied complete validity. 2. PAYMENT TERMS This is a free service provided that our advertisements are found on all user pages. We also offer a paid ad-free service. Current ad-free rates will be posted on the Provider's Web site or message boards. 3. CONTENT RESTRICTIONS Your web site must conform to the following standards to be eligible to utilize this service: User's content must comply in a manner consistent with any and all applicable laws of the State of California and the US Federal Government. User's web site may not contain content promoting the use of illegal drugs, alcohol, sex, pornography, nudity, or any other form of adult content, profanity, hate, "spam," fraud, racism, mlm, pyramid schemes, or promote any illegal activity. User's message board and Web site must be in English. 4. DISPUTES In the event it is necessary to refer any dispute to an attorney or resolve it in a court of law, the prevailing party will be entitled to an award of reasonable attorney's fees and all costs associated with any legal action, whether or not a suit shall actually be filed. These terms of service shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the state of California and the United States of America. 5. THIS SERVICE IS PROVIDED "AS IS" THIS SERVICE IS PROVIDED ON AN "AS IS, AS AVAILABLE" BASIS. THE PROVIDER GIVES NO WARRANTY, EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, FOR THE SERVICES PROVIDED, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY AND WARRANTY OF FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. THIS NO WARRANTY EXPRESSLY INCLUDES ANY REIMBURSEMENT FOR LOSSES OF INCOME DUE TO DISRUPTION OF SERVICE BY THE PROVIDER OR ITS PROVIDERS BEYOND THE FEES PAID BY CLIENT TO PROVIDER FOR SERVICES. WE MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO BACKUP OUR DATA, BUT WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY LOSS OF DATA. The last bit is interesting don't you think - you are so trusting.............I have already accepted the loss of my data, I am looking to protect my children's for the future! This states that it is governed by US law, therefore the date is travelling through USA data space and can be captured. As per the previous article posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manshimajin Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Why not join the Shengen area and reduce the red tape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 The last bit is interesting don't you think - you are so trusting.............I have already accepted the loss of my data, I am looking to protect my children's for the future! This states that it is governed by US law, therefore the date is travelling through USA data space and can be captured. As per the previous article posted. It's a service provider saying they're not responsible for loss under a free service. What's the problem? You don't appear to reason in a joined up way, your arguments simply don't make sense. Because a website has a standard disclaimer, a disclaimer that's actually a default with that particular piece of software, suddently all data on any system is somehow unreliable? Look at it from the providers point of view, he's offering his server perhaps for free, perhaps for a small fee for people to post this content on. Someone, under their own steam, posts something mission critical of high value on there, the service crashes under the weight of traffic and goes down and the poster suffers a loss of business of a large wedge of cash. Should the hosting provider be sued? No. That's what that disclaimer is about, it's not suggesting for a second that they're expecting falure, just don't sue them if a failure happens. If you want to buy resiliant safe hosting, you can, but it'll cost you. As for the US law thing, that's where the server is. That doesn't mean your communications going to be captured. What's clear is you don't understand why or how this all works despite being very vocal opposer. I think that undermines pretty much everything you have to say on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 How about something closer to home, promoting an event on energy FM run by proboards I have a wild idea, how about you answer the question you were asked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Answer me this, if I send you a message and we're both on manx.net mail addresses, how does teh governent super sekret computarz intercept that? Via Domicillium? This just highlights the complete absence of any sort of understanding of how this shit works. It wont touch the network of any other ISP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted April 25, 2008 Author Share Posted April 25, 2008 The last bit is interesting don't you think - you are so trusting.............I have already accepted the loss of my data, I am looking to protect my children's for the future! This states that it is governed by US law, therefore the date is travelling through USA data space and can be captured. As per the previous article posted. It's a service provider saying they're not responsible for loss under a free service. What's the problem? You don't appear to reason in a joined up way, your arguments simply don't make sense. Because a website has a standard disclaimer, a disclaimer that's actually a default with that particular piece of software, suddently all data on any system is somehow unreliable? Look at it from the providers point of view, he's offering his server perhaps for free, perhaps for a small fee for people to post this content on. Someone, under their own steam, posts something mission critical of high value on there, the service crashes under the weight of traffic and goes down and the poster suffers a loss of business of a large wedge of cash. Should the hosting provider be sued? No. That's what that disclaimer is about, it's not suggesting for a second that they're expecting falure, just don't sue them if a failure happens. If you want to buy resiliant safe hosting, you can, but it'll cost you. You are not getting my point, it is a usa based company, therefore the usa can intercept data! As per a previous link. The UK Government looses data, can you sue them? A usa based company can you sue them? Can we all put a disclaimer on our threads, links and websites to therefore ignor the intrusion into our personal date and data security, personal data since the electronic age is getting easier to steal and use for fraud, criminal activity, government analysis, travel data, taxation, etc. The lack of ability to be able to protect your data within multiple jurisdictions is a concern or should be, the fact that your data can be collected from anywhere in the world and there is no way to get it back once lost, should be. Different jurisdictions have different laws and you could find that you have an arrest warrant whilst travelling through an European country on holiday, business or to the usa where even Disney gets your fingerpints for access to Disney! As for the US law thing, that's where the server is. That doesn't mean your communications going to be captured. What's clear is you don't understand why or how this all works despite being very vocal opposer. I think that undermines pretty much everything you have to say on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.