Brown Wins 42 Day Terror Detention Vote

[bluemonday]

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More confidential government files were found on a commuter train earlier this week, it has been revealed.

 

The Independent on Sunday says it was handed the documents, which cover fighting global terrorist funding, drugs trafficking and money laundering.

[Albert Tatlock]

Who on here has never left anything on a train, in a pub, taxi, shop etc.? Few, if any, I'd bet. The answer to this lies in rules not allowing such things to be transported, and kept in secure environments - full stop.

 

However, what happened to handing things in properly? Surely it is an obvious breach of the official secrets act to hand such secretive stuff over to journo's etc.? - and to not head straight for a copper or police station with such finds. Everyone's a fecking media driven dumbocrat these days after a few quid. I hate Gordon Broon's mob - but even so I would always consider my responsibility as a citizen under existing law first (a law that's been around decades and seen off many governments of all types).

[bluemonday]

Who on here has never left anything on a train, in a pub, taxi, shop etc.?

I have but then again, they haven't been secret state documents.

 

However, what happened to handing things in properly? Surely it is an obvious breach of the official secrets act to hand such secretive stuff over to journo's etc.? - and to not head straight for a copper or police station with such finds. Everyone's a fecking media driven dumbocrat these days after a few quid. I hate Gordon Broon's mob - but even so I would always consider my responsibility as a citizen under existing law first (a law that's been around decades and seen off many governments of all types).

 

Its a breach of the OSA to leave the stuff in public.

Do you for one minute image that it's desirable not to expose incompetence?

 

Would such incompetence be exposed to the public eye if the finder just ran off to the nearest copper.

The expression hushed up springs to mind.

 

I see what you're saying but there's two sides.

 

Law? All I see is a continual erosion of my freedoms. It's a laughing stock.

[Albert Tatlock]

Do you for one minute image that it's desirable not to expose incompetence?

Exposing incompetence is one thing, exposing the contents of documents is another. You can still hand it in to a British forces unit or to a Police station etc. and mince about the fact you found a document of that level it to the BBC etc. if you so wish. Whilst not in great detail, the Beeb still disclosed the contents of the document by discussing the topics it contained.

 

"A person is guilty of an offence if without lawful authority he discloses any information, document or other article which he knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, to have come into his possession as a result of a contravention of section 1 of the [1911 c. 28.] Official Secrets Act 1911."

[bluemonday]

I look forward to the prosecution of the BBC for treason.

[Albert Tatlock]

I look forward to the prosecution of the BBC for treason.

Treason's covered under a different act. Though I'd prefer the Beeb to go on trial for their Saturday night schedule first.

[bluemonday]

Given that more than 600 MoD laptops and PCs have been stolen since 1998. ( http://www.itweek.co.uk/itweek/news/220783...ptop-theft-adds )

I'm surprised that the UK has any secrets left.

Still if Bin Bag watches the BBC, I may invest in tea towels - just in case....

[Cronky]

Meanwhile in Jersey a local Senator made a move to approve the indefinite police detention of suspects without charge:

 

Jersey Evening Post

 

( Not sure I fully believe this story by the way as it sounds a bit far fetched )

[P.K.]

So Kelvin is not going to stand against Davis and his over-inflated ego:

 

The truth is that I would have been a cr*p MP. I would have said what I thought and, for the next two years to the General Election, I would have been apologising to all and sundry.

 

So I am out of it.

His Sun piece is here. A great shame as imho as it would have been an awful lot of laughs. Like me Kelvin has no time at all for boring tossers who don't use ten words when fifty will do, especially when they are issued with a nauseous air of smug superiority, so his not running will certainly be missed by me. Anyway, some recorded quotes from the great man himself:

 

To then prime minister John Major during the exchange rate mechanism crisis in 1992: "Well John, let me put it this way. I've got a large bucket of shit lying on my desk and tomorrow morning I'm going to pour it all over your head."

 

On Scotland: "[Gordon Brown] is a socialist Scot who wants to spend every single penny you earn. The reality is that the Scots enjoy spending it, they don't enjoy creating it, which is the opposite of down in the south."

 

On Janet Street-Porter when she was made editor of the Independent on Sunday: "She couldn't edit a bus ticket."

 

On Alastair Campbell: "If he'd ever called me up I'd have told him to go fuck himself."

 

Citing the various national newspapers and their support on this issue is a joke. Newspapers exist to sell their copy so they pander to the political leanings of their traditional readership hence the Telegraph, Mail, Express and Times are rabidly pro-Tory. Labour voters read the Mirror, Independant and Grauniad. Therefore why the editors/owners are courted by politicians is beyond reason as it's been like this for over 20 years. The exception to this rule is the Super Soaraway Sun. It backs who it thinks will win hence "It's the Sun wot won it!". Kelvin is smart and street-wise so not standing is a sensible decision. As anyone in business knows when you start believing your own propaganda you're in trouble and clearly in this case the Sun thinks the winner will be Davis - in one of the safest Tory seats in the country and with no opposition to speak of it could hardly be anyone else.

 

Which means, of course, that Davis now looks a bit of prat. All he has left is the "Labour running scared of the issue" card which he has already well over-played. So I actually agree with Gordon - it's a stunt that has become a farce.

[Albert Tatlock]

So Kelvin is not going to stand against Davis and his over-inflated ego:

 

The truth is that I would have been a cr*p MP. I would have said what I thought and, for the next two years to the General Election, I would have been apologising to all and sundry.

 

So I am out of it.

His Sun piece is here. A great shame as imho as it would have been an awful lot of laughs. Like me Kelvin has no time at all for boring tossers who don't use ten words when fifty will do, especially when they are issued with a nauseous air of smug superiority, so his not running will certainly be missed by me. Anyway, some recorded quotes from the great man himself:

 

To then prime minister John Major during the exchange rate mechanism crisis in 1992: "Well John, let me put it this way. I've got a large bucket of shit lying on my desk and tomorrow morning I'm going to pour it all over your head."

 

On Scotland: "[Gordon Brown] is a socialist Scot who wants to spend every single penny you earn. The reality is that the Scots enjoy spending it, they don't enjoy creating it, which is the opposite of down in the south."

 

On Janet Street-Porter when she was made editor of the Independent on Sunday: "She couldn't edit a bus ticket."

 

On Alastair Campbell: "If he'd ever called me up I'd have told him to go fuck himself."

 

Citing the various national newspapers and their support on this issue is a joke. Newspapers exist to sell their copy so they pander to the political leanings of their traditional readership hence the Telegraph, Mail, Express and Times are rabidly pro-Tory. Labour voters read the Mirror, Independant and Grauniad. Therefore why the editors/owners are courted by politicians is beyond reason as it's been like this for over 20 years. The exception to this rule is the Super Soaraway Sun. It backs who it thinks will win hence "It's the Sun wot won it!". Kelvin is smart and street-wise so not standing is a sensible decision. As anyone in business knows when you start believing your own propaganda you're in trouble and clearly in this case the Sun thinks the winner will be Davis - in one of the safest Tory seats in the country and with no opposition to speak of it could hardly be anyone else.

 

Which means, of course, that Davis now looks a bit of prat. All he has left is the "Labour running scared of the issue" card which he has already well over-played. So I actually agree with Gordon - it's a stunt that has become a farce.

or 451 words even.

[P.K.]

Are you sure it's 451? For example, did you count "it's" as one word or two? How about hyphenated such as "street-wise", did you count that as one word or two? Did you include the quotes or did you just count my original work to reach your 451 total? Dear me, if counting the words in a post is all you have left then you really need to get out more - no surprises there. Also please don't follow a post by re-posting the previous in full. It doubles the number of words on the same subject you see.

 

Interesting piece on the political leanings of national newspapers here. Strangely The Daily Mail is somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan. Funny that.

 

Davis is now reduced to attacking Labour over alleged "lies and smears". However there is no substance to it at all. Basically the Labour Culture Secretary is quoted as finding it "curious" that such a strong exponent of capital punishment, that Davis most certainly is, should be in discussion with the human rights group Liberty. Fair comment I would say but you can be sure that the Telegraph, Mail, Express and Times will try and make a story out of it to puff their man as much as possible. For me all it does is make Davis look ever more desperate.

[VinnieK]

Basically the Labour Culture Secretary is quoted as finding it "curious" that such a strong exponent of capital punishment, that Davis most certainly is, should be in discussion with the human rights group Liberty.

 

To be fair (and I disagree with Davis on this), he's only stated that he's in favour of the death penalty in the case of serial killers - that's not really being a strong exponent of capital punishment.

 

Also, what's so curious about his alliance with Liberty on this issue? On this matter they happen to agree, and as such it makes sense that they'd support each other. It's simple political expediency.

 

Edited to add: The Liberal Democrats are also against the death penalty, yet the Harman didn't accuse Nick Clegg of having "heart-melting late-night conversations" with Davis. Chakrabarti's reaction may be a little over the top, but there is clear innuendo there on Harman's part.

[Albert Tatlock]

Are you sure it's 451? For example, did you count "it's" as one word or two? How about hyphenated such as "street-wise", did you count that as one word or two? Did you include the quotes or did you just count my original work to reach your 451 total? Dear me, if counting the words in a post is all you have left then you really need to get out more - no surprises there. Also please don't follow a post by re-posting the previous in full. It doubles the number of words on the same subject you see.

Actually, some of us more computer literate people can get a count on words done in around 5 secs - without counting them ourselves

[P.K.]

Are you sure it's 451? For example, did you your routine count "it's" as one word or two? How about hyphenated such as "street-wise", did you your routine count that as one word or two? Did you your routine include the quotes or did you your routine just count my original work to reach the 451 total? Dear me, if counting the words in a post is all you have left then you really need to get out more - no surprises there. Also please don't follow a post by re-posting the previous in full. [irony]It doubles the number of words on the same subject you see.[/irony]

[Albert Tatlock]

Are you sure it's 451?

Ask Bill Gates.