thebees Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 You are presuming, quite incorrectly, that everone HAS a dentist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempus Fugit Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 it must be hard to find something for them all to do with the huge drop in reported crimes saves them chasing parked cars though ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbms Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 If the are checking this DNA I think its a bit out of order afterall whats this got to do with the National Dyslexic Association, Dyslexics have rights too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Why do they want to find the woman, so they can charge her with failing to report a birth?? I fail to see the point of a witch hunt 20 years later...leave her alone, let it go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Why do they want to find the woman, so they can charge her with failing to report a birth?? I fail to see the point of a witch hunt 20 years later...leave her alone, let it go! There is more to it than that, from the report, the baby died in the bath and was neglected previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Why do they want to find the woman, so they can charge her with failing to report a birth?? I fail to see the point of a witch hunt 20 years later...leave her alone, let it go! There is more to it than that, from the report, the baby died in the bath and was neglected previously. Are you sure Albert? The report says the baby was found in the bath and had died from being left in the bath and not being cared for, not necessarily implying that the baby was drowned after being neglected. The death may have arisen because the baby was left in an empty bath without food etc. just as happens when babies are left on police station doorsteps, not that this was the culmination of neglect. All a bit wishy washy to come up with any real idea of what was really found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeky boy Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 We can only imagine what desperate circumstances led to this tragedy The mother and those in the know will have to live with this for the rest of their lives There can be no possible benefit to the people involved or the general public by raking all this up again We could start a long and comprehensive thread about things the police could be better employed on, so just drop it and spend our hard earned taxes on something useful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemonday Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 We can only imagine what desperate circumstances led to this tragedy The mother and those in the know will have to live with this for the rest of their lives There can be no possible benefit to the people involved or the general public by raking all this up again Agreed. The whole exercise can only cause more heartache. That a baby died is a great tragedy but that can't be undone now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Ayres Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 We can only imagine what desperate circumstances led to this tragedy The mother and those in the know will have to live with this for the rest of their lives There can be no possible benefit to the people involved or the general public by raking all this up again We could start a long and comprehensive thread about things the police could be better employed on, so just drop it and spend our hard earned taxes on something useful What if the mother were a person in a position of authority, an MHK, member of Legco or an advocate for instance, would it not reflect on their judgement and mental stability? I'm not saying it is such a person, just putting the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 We can only imagine what desperate circumstances led to this tragedy The mother and those in the know will have to live with this for the rest of their lives There can be no possible benefit to the people involved or the general public by raking all this up again We could start a long and comprehensive thread about things the police could be better employed on, so just drop it and spend our hard earned taxes on something useful What if the mother were a person in a position of authority, an MHK, member of Legco or an advocate for instance, would it not reflect on their judgement and mental stability? I'm not saying it is such a person, just putting the argument. you expect to find any of the stable?? honest would be a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Agreed. The whole exercise can only cause more heartache. That a baby died is a great tragedy but that can't be undone now. A difficult one I agree. Though, on the basis of some of the replies here, a more interesting question might be: where do we draw these lines in the past? After all, a life is a life and a crime is a crime isn't it? - even though many on here seem to readily be making assumptions as to the circumstances around this particular event, most probably based on other cases and circumstances they have heard about. But what if it were found that these assumptions were not quite correct, that the woman (or maybe even her spouse) had gone on to do it again or caused untold misery to other babies and children, would we view the result of such an enquiry in quite the same light afterwards? In short, without investigation we will never know the truth. DNA technology today allows many crimes, and potential crimes, of the past to be revisited. To me, the real issue raised by this is not that events such as this shouldn't be investigated, but how we go about investigating them. Whilst in this case they say DNA would be supplied on a voluntary basis, they still do not make it clear what would happen to the 'innocent' DNA afterwards, and I find this very worrying. For example, many people do not realise that simply because they 'don't volunteer' themselves, this does not negate their DNA from effectively going onto the database. This is because other people in their blood line may choose to volunteer, and from their DNA, blood relatives can be identified quite easily. In other words, get 10% of the islands' population to volunteer and you have probably got well over 50% of the population effectively on the DNA database, and you only need a few such 'voluntary investigations' to cover most of the population. Refuse, or choose not to destroy the 'innocent' samples, and you have yourself a DNA database with the 'consent of the volunteers' - but without the consent of the majority and no laws passed to govern its accountability, control, access or further uses - so who would ever know if it were lost, stolen or even sold on? If we are not careful, the mass collection and storage of DNA could effectively turn the police and hence their employer (the government), into an all knowing and all seeing 'state computer', whose role it is to identify everyone, filter out the innocent, and catch the guilty - but with mass screening and storage, operate under the effective principle that we are all guilty until proven innocent. 'Nothing wrong with that', shouts the lynch mob, 'instilling the fear into the population that if you commit a crime you will be caught can only be a good thing - because if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear'. But the 'lynch mob' seems to refuse to accept the other uses to which mass stored DNA and associated technologies could eventually be put, issues which go far deeper than simply catching criminals. Such issues include undermining the very basis on which our liberal-democracy has been built and fundamentally changing the relationship between the government and the people (i.e. the government is responsible to us and not vice versa), undermining 'innocence before guilt' (Habeous Corpus, Magna Carta etc.), and the potential state monitoring and controlling of the population in the name of 'security' or 'financial identity' - all whilst seemingly forgetting that the police are not some independent body, but that they work for the government. Moreover, that without adequate controls, such DNA in the hands of others could have untold consequences e.g. insurance companies, schools, or even used for unauthorised cloning etc. etc. Mad suggestions? - well go back 150 years and so was the idea of 'horseless carriages'. IMO a state controlled DNA database is too high a price to pay to 'feel safe' and especially so given the UK governments record of losing records. If this data is to be kept, questions should be being asked now as to what authority and remit the police have to take it on themselves to collate such a mass database, and who has access to the data (UK? USA? etc.), and if the data is not to be kept what guarantees are in place for it's destruction. Such questions are fundamental ethical and political questions as to where we are curently going with DNA usage, such as the possibility of state controlled ID cards and state monitored citizens by stealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minxie Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I know it all happened a long time ago, but if the baby died through neglect and not from being stillborn, no matter what the circumstances, I still don't think that it's right to just 'leave it alone and forget about it'. Somebody is still culpable for the death of the baby no matter how long ago it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 We can only imagine what desperate circumstances led to this tragedy Why imagine when they could investigate it and discover the real story? I don't get those of you who say it should be left in peace. If this was a skeleton of a 20 year old, would you be so blasé about the police not bothering to investigate. Are you saying that a baby's life is worthless? They're investigating it to see if a crime has been committed and if it has, they will attempt to identify the culprit. That's what police do and it seems they can't win no matter what they do in the eyes of some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemonday Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Fair enough. They might also like to look into who exactly was responsible for chaining up firedoors in a certain building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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