Tin Foil Hat Update

[bluemonday]

Councils get power to ‘spy’ on your e-mail and net use

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Quick everyone - drop off the grid........

[Cronky]

Absoutely appaling and this must never, ever happen here. Fortunately I don't believe it will - the complaints would be loud and never ending.

 

Why is this drive to eradicate personal privacy so strong?

[bluemonday]

I suppose I can see the point of being able to read 'X's emails if he writes - Dear Osama, we are ready to let off our dirty bomb which we have built and stored at 4 Railway Cuttings, Craptown etc, but I really cannot see the point of allowing the Post Office, Health and Safety Executive, Food Standards Agency and some pen pusher at every local council to do it.

What's the VALID reason in relation to Anti Terrorism?

 

As for it happening across and not here, I wouldn't bank on it.

They'd use the excuse of looking for money laundering.

[manshimajin]

As for it happening across and not here, I wouldn't bank on it.

They'd use the excuse of looking for money laundering.

Drugs, terrorism and money laundering - the excuse to pry into everything.

 

Maybe they are wanting to find out who is buying cancer drugs that NICE won't let the NHS prescribe for them?

 

I recall that tax inspectors in Itay used to check rubbish bins to see if your 'consumption' matched your declared income....far better use of public servants time - they would get out into the fresh air rather than sitting cooped up in offices.

 

Surely this article cannot be right. I thought the UK government was running out of money.

[loaf]

Drugs, terrorism and money laundering - the excuse to pry into everything.

Given how relatively simple it is to use something like PGP and even run your own server and VPN, who would pass messages to their "drug-funded, money laundering terrorist organisation" over public networks using public messaging servers and in the clear anyway?

[manshimajin]

Given how relatively simple it is to use something like PGP and even run your own server and VPN, who would pass messages to their "drug-funded, money laundering terrorist organisation" over public networks using public messaging servers and in the clear anyway?

Yes, but it's a great bureaucratic excuse for the surveillance society.

[immortalpuppet]

For the people that acctually need monitoring, this has been happening for years. If you think that some desk jockey would just be snooping with no reason or without being monitored/logged every step of the way then you would be mistaken.

 

If you are worried about people looking at your midget porn, connect to the interweb through an unregistered pay as you go sim card.

 

Edit: the porn is safe,

 

The information will include the date and times of the log-in and log-off from the internet – the “who, when, and where” of communication – but not the contents of calls, messages or lists of websites which had been accessed.

[Cronky]

It's all in this document:

 

Transposition of Directive 2006/24/EC

 

1.1 In March 2007 the Government undertook public consultation1 on the initial transposition of

European Directive 2006/24/EC (“the Directive”) on the retention of data generated or processed in

connection with the provision of publicly available electronic communications services or of public

communications networks and amending Directive 2002/58/EC.

 

1.2 The text of Directive 2006/24/EC is at Annex A.

 

1.3 The aim of the Directive is to ensure that certain data is retained to enable public authorities to

undertake their lawful activities to investigate, detect and prosecute crime and to protect the public.

 

So, public authorrities are the new de facto police.

 

3. Human Rights considerations

 

3.1 A key aspect of the debate, both during the public consultation on, and parliamentary debate about,

the code of practice for voluntary retention of data, and also during the debate about the Directive

within the European Council and the European Parliament, has been the impact, or potential impact,

that retention of communications data has on individuals’ human rights. The implementation of

the Directive does not alter the balance in that debate and we consider that these measures are a

proportionate interference with individuals’ right to privacy to ensure protection of the public.

Previous debates have concluded that the retention period is a significant factor in determining

proportionality. In the draft Regulations at Annex A, we propose to continue with a retention period

of 12 months.

 

And the justification, yet again, is the 'protection' of the public. Which means, of course that they can ride roughshod over our rights.

[manshimajin]

And the justification, yet again, is the 'protection' of the public. Which means, of course that they can ride roughshod over our rights.

This is a bit out of date but still relevant. One CCTV camera in UK for every 14 citizens - must be a goddam awful place to need that many. Not quite down to one per family yet.

 

Big Brother Is Watching You

 

This article reminded me that a supermarket in Germany uses your store card details to get the shelves to 'talk' to you as you pass by a section that may be of interest to you..."herr Schmidt you have not bought dog food for the last three weeks - we have a special today'.

 

But it seems that the UK bureaucrats may be amongst the quickest implementers of surveillance technologies. Whilst the EU have Directives the degree to which they are implemented depends on the local politicians and the local bureaucrats. That is why in France you can still take your dog into a restaurant without the food police attacking the owners and buy proper cheese and meat is displayed in conditions that have the Brits tut tutting.

 

I suspect that British bureaucracy lacks the common sense and balance of some of its neighbours and take the attitude that a 'rule is a rule to be implemented in full'.

[Albert Tatlock]

So, public authorrities are the new de facto police.

Ergo the de facto police state.

 

"The term police state is a term for a state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic and political life of the population, potentially by means of a secret police force which operates outside the boundaries normally imposed by a constitutional republic. A police state typically exhibits elements of totalitarianism and social control, and there is usually little or no distinction between the law and the exercise of political power by the executive."

[Cronky]

"The term police state is a term for a state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic and political life of the population, potentially by means of a secret police force which operates outside the boundaries normally imposed by a constitutional republic. A police state typically exhibits elements of totalitarianism and social control, and there is usually little or no distinction between the law and the exercise of political power by the executive."

 

Precisely. However, we are outside the UK and the EU so ( one hopes ) communications records surveillance won't find it's way here. But, we are going to be subject to e-Borders and this will mean travel surveillance. With this comes the power of the UK Home Office to block our travel without the need for a warrant.

[Mutley]

I suppose I can see the point of being able to read 'X's emails if he writes - Dear Osama, we are ready to let off our dirty bomb which we have built and stored at 4 Railway Cuttings, Craptown etc, but I really cannot see the point of allowing the Post Office, Health and Safety Executive, Food Standards Agency and some pen pusher at every local council to do it.

What's the VALID reason in relation to Anti Terrorism?

 

As for it happening across and not here, I wouldn't bank on it.

They'd use the excuse of looking for money laundering.

 

If you actually read the article you'll find the reality is different from what you're supposing.

 

"The information will include the date and times of the log-in and log-off from the internet – the “who, when, and where” of communication – but not the contents of calls, messages or lists of websites which had been accessed. "

[bluemonday]

As pointed out in post 7 above.

 

So what's the point in the exercise when the specific activity online isn't recorded?

 

And again what important role would a local council, the health and safety executive or indeed the food standards agency play in the great war against evil terrorism?

 

Oh you haven't paid your rates?

 

You can't poison that water supply it's against H&S regulations.

 

You can't sell out of date pies as part of your crusade againts infidels?

 

All part of the great hysteria over terrorism.

 

Exactly how many lives has the jihad actually taken as opposed to annual deaths by smoking, drink driving, obesity etc

 

Let's all stay at home and cower under the table.

[Albert Tatlock]

If you actually read the article you'll find the reality is different from what you're supposing.

 

"The information will include the date and times of the log-in and log-off from the internet – the “who, when, and where” of communication – but not the contents of calls, messages or lists of websites which had been accessed. "

It's the old 'thin end of the wedge' though...let them get away with one thing, and they'll soon be arguing the 'undeniable case' for the next stage. Lines have to be drawn.

[bluemonday]

Personally, if I wanted to destabilise country/culture/the west, I'd just flood it with cheap drugs and guns and let the locals do it themselves and just sit back and watch.

 

Anyone with an IQ above a plank would avoid leaving any sort of electronic trace anyway.