ponderer Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 OK. But that wouldn't stop the other suggestion - making Manx sports facilities available to other nations to carry out pre-2012 games training. NSC and other facilities could be made available to other island teams (eg Caribbean participants?) to help them train and prepare for the games. After all its only a 1 hour flight to London city airport... I think that's a very good idea. Done http://www.gov.im/lib/news/tourism/london2012sprega.xml Hats off to the Manx Government for having a go. But it seems a shame, as the 'standards are onerous' that we have only qualified to host training for Road Cycling, Mountain Biking, Handball and Shooting. No scope for upgrading standards in any other sports by 2012? I wonder how some of the smaller states with only a few people at the Games and limited resources prepare? A post 2012 Island 'Cool Off' event? Also, the Isle of Man has massive experience holding smaller events as a founder of the Island Games Association. Looking at the Beijing Olympics medals table, a lot of the island states with National Olympic Committees who are participating in this Olympics - a few of which are island communities will smaller populations than the Isle of Man - have yet to win a medal. So far I think 79 have won medals out of 204 or so. Most of the smaller NOC nations will not win ANY medals in the Olympics which must be rather disheartening. I wonder if the Island Games Association could approach the International Olympics Committee with a view to holding some immediate post Olympics events which would target the Island participants in the London Games to give their sports stars a chance to go back to their islands as 'winners'. No doubt the IOC would be very sceptical about allowing that sort of thing to happen and to set a precedent. Also small islands with a smaller population than Island Games participants but who have achieved the much coveted NOC status so are able to participate in the Olympics could be very defensive that taking part in what would be perceived as the poor relative of the Olympics. Maybe its no accident that few island nations with NOC status are in the Island Games Association? Cayman Islands, Iceland and one or two others maybe. However, if it was done very informally it would be a great chance to introduce the Island Games to a lot of states - and put the Isle of Man on the map globally amongst island states. How about having a go? The attraction would be that it would be a chance to invite some of the best island sports stars on the planet to be 'big fish'... Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I wonder if the Island Games Association could approach the International Olympics Committee with a view to holding some immediate post Olympics events which would target the Island participants in the London Games to give their sports stars a chance to go back to their islands as 'winners'. No doubt the IOC would be very sceptical about allowing that sort of thing to happen and to set a precedent. Also small islands with a smaller population than Island Games participants but who have achieved the much coveted NOC status so are able to participate in the Olympics could be very defensive that taking part in what would be perceived as the poor relative of the Olympics. Maybe its no accident that few island nations with NOC status are in the Island Games Association? Cayman Islands, Iceland and one or two others maybe. However, if it was done very informally it would be a great chance to introduce the Island Games to a lot of states - and put the Isle of Man on the map globally amongst island states. How about having a go? The attraction would be that it would be a chance to invite some of the best island sports stars on the planet to be 'big fish'... Just a thought. You want a what what with a what what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponderer Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 You want a what what with a what what? Look there are 22 Island Games Association Athletes participating in the Olympics in Beijing. If you add to that several dozen athletes from island states which are not in the IGA - then you have say around 100, maybe more sports personalities attending and participating in the London 2012 Olympics, right? And they're not all up to the standard of Usain Bolt! (Would be great to get some of the Jamaicans though!) Now in the Island games they usually have around a dozen events. So you take a look at the Olympics participants and pick maybe 3 or 4 events involving some island Olympians which the isle of man could easily host and have an immediate post Olympics competition in these sports with a small selection of the best existing island games participants in those sports from Jersey, the Isle of Man... competing against the best island olympics athletes in those sports. Lets face it getting home from London to say Tuvalu is quite a trek and a quick detour to the isle of man on the way home where you might actually win a race may be worth doing. It shouldn't be that difficult to put on. EDIT 1: The other advantage is that IF one of our cyclists such as Bellis, Kennaugh or Cav manages to get in Team GB and win a medal in London - and its already being reported that the cycling Road Race route in London is more suited to sprinters like Cav - then the event could help to build on that success, provide a platform to congratulate them on their achievement. And really put Douglas Corporation on the map! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I'm reserving my spot now for Cav's welcome back to the island 'Open top bus tour'. I'm heading for the bus station to watch, as I understand the No 8 quickly heads out Foxdale and Ballacraine ways. [/tw*t mode] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebrof Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 It's a good job I'm not an ace sports person. If I won a gold medal at the Olympics, I'd find it a bit odd having 'god save the queen' played for my victory. I wonder if the Scottish and Welsh victors feel the same? Possibly you are unaware that the Queen is queen of Scotland and Wales, too. And the IOM, for that matter. And that God Save The Queen is the British national anthem, as well as being, at one time, the national anthem of about a quarter of the nations of the world. When British athletes play in the Olympics, they are playing as Britons, not as little Englanders, wily Welshmen, scheming Scots, idle Irish or manky Manxmen. Which would all be well and good if we were part of Great Britain. They have to bend the rules a little to allow Manxies in the British team. Possibly you are unaware of that. My original post was meant in more of a jovial fashion than you seem to have taken it. Feel free to keep on pigeon holing the characteristics of different nationalities, though. You mean Britain, not Great Britain. The latter is simply the big island, whilst Britain is a synonym for the UK. But although Manxies are not part of the UK, they are nonetheless British (look at your passport), and therefore the British national anthem is appropriate (as it is to Scots, etc). And my largely alliterative list was just as light-hearted as your post, though perhaps more obviously so. S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Take Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 therefore the British national anthem is appropriate (as it is to Scots, etc). Doesn't matter anyway if it's appropriate or not - I'd still feel odd having it played because it's not the national anthem I grew up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarahc Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 If you'd spent your teenage years and more taking part in sporting events for the British Team you would have grown up with it. If you were any good, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponderer Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 "Cavendish to take his place in competitive tour of Ireland" "...Certainly the presence of Mark Cavendish -- who won four stages in the recent Tour de France -- will be a big bonus for the spectators..." Cav is back - but with more international respect than ever. ..Allez Cav! EDIT: If Cav does well in Ireland - couldn't they arrange to have a stage of a future Tour of Ireland in the Isle of Man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponderer Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 "Cavendish to take his place in competitive tour of Ireland" "...Certainly the presence of Mark Cavendish -- who won four stages in the recent Tour de France -- will be a big bonus for the spectators..." Cav is back - but with more international respect than ever. ..Allez Cav! EDIT: If Cav does well in Ireland - couldn't they arrange to have a stage of a future Tour of Ireland in the Isle of Man? He's done it again! Stage 1 of Tour of Ireland - won by Number 1 Mark Cavendish!! http://www.irishcycling.com/publish/news/art_3332.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponderer Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 New 'Tour of Ireland' thread started in 'Leisure and Sport'... http://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=26652 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponderer Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 "Cavendish to take his place in competitive tour of Ireland" "...Certainly the presence of Mark Cavendish -- who won four stages in the recent Tour de France -- will be a big bonus for the spectators..." Cav is back - but with more international respect than ever. ..Allez Cav! EDIT: If Cav does well in Ireland - couldn't they arrange to have a stage of a future Tour of Ireland in the Isle of Man? He's done it again! Stage 1 of Tour of Ireland - won by Number 1 Mark Cavendish!! http://www.irishcycling.com/publish/news/art_3332.shtml 2 wins out of 2 for Cavendish in Ireland! "He's unstoppable" http://www.irishcycling.com/publish/news/art_3338.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conradthewoollyllama Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 You mean Britain, not Great Britain. The latter is simply the big island, whilst Britain is a synonym for the UK. But although Manxies are not part of the UK, they are nonetheless British (look at your passport) I'm pretty sure if you're classed as fully manx (3 generations can be traced back as being born here or manx in whatever way) then you aren't classed as british, and have a special stamp on your passport declaring it (a little of topic sorry) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbms Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Possibly you are unaware that the Queen is queen of Scotland and Wales, too. And the IOM, for that matter. Point of order there, she is Lord of Mann not the Queen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagster Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Possibly you are unaware that the Queen is queen of Scotland and Wales, too. And the IOM, for that matter. Point of order there, she is Lord of Mann not the Queen She IS the Queen - and Lord of Mann. She is the Queen of the UK and it's Crown Dependancies which of course includes Isle Of Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbms Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Possibly you are unaware that the Queen is queen of Scotland and Wales, too. And the IOM, for that matter. Point of order there, she is Lord of Mann not the Queen She IS the Queen - and Lord of Mann. She is the Queen of the UK and it's Crown Dependancies which of course includes Isle Of Man. WRONG and Why? William le Scrope was the last King of Mann, claiming descent from the House of Godred Crovan, the earlier Norse Rulers. He was executed in 1399 for treason for his support of Richard II in his struggle with Henry Bolingbroke, who defeated Richard and became Henry IV. Le Scrope's possessions, including the Isle of Man, passed to the Crown. It was however given to various Lords to rule over who assumed the title King of Mann. From 1504 The son of Thomas Stanley, 2nd Earl of Derby, did not take the style 'King', and he and his successors were generally known instead as 'Lord of Mann'. However, the Latin style Rex Manniae et Insularum (King of Mann and the Isles) continued to be occasionally used in official documents until at least the 17th century. In 1765, Charlotte Murray, 8th Baroness Strange sold the suzerainty of the island to the British government for £70,000. By the passage of the Isle of Man Purchase Act 1765 the title of Lord of Mann was revested into the British Crown. It has therefore since been used on the Isle of Man to refer to the reigning Monarch of the United Kingdom, thus today the title 'Lord of Mann' is used by Queen Elizabeth II. All remaining rights and property of the Dukes of Atholl on the Island were sold to the British government in 1828 The The Isle of Man is not part of the UK, has no King or Queen (Elizabeth II is "Lord of Mann"). The head of state of the Isle of Man is Her Majesty the Queen, not, however, in ther capacity as the Queen of England but as the Lord of Mann, The title is now Lord of Mann regardless of sex. The formal Latin style is Dominus Manniae. The Island is a self-governing country (Crown Dependancy) which belongs to neither the UK nor the European Union (As seen in protocol 3 of the UK's joining of the EEC) The island is dependent on the crown (but not Westminster) for its foreign representation, international relations and for defence. The island (in common with the other Crown dependencies) is fiscally independent, responsible for its own revenue and expenditure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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