15 Years For Cocaine Dealer

[cheeky boy]

A local man just got 15 years jail for importing a kilo of cocaine, in the UK he would have got around half that sentence

 

15 yrs is what you would get for murder, Newberry our very own double murderer got 20 yrs

 

I wouldn't mind so much if the courts doubled up an all sentences and locked up for years all those scumbags who beat innocent people up every weekend on the prom

 

Also, I wouldn't mind so much if the courts applied their sentencing consistently, but they recently gave a sentence of one year to a woman caught with a huge quantity if amphetamine which is actually more harmful than cocaine

 

 

The punishment should fit the crime and this kind of inconsistent sentencing just shouts Banana Republic

[P.K.]

The punishment should fit the crime and this kind of inconsistent sentencing just shouts Banana Republic

And your point is?

[House]

This sort of shit gets me so wound up I don't even know where to start.

 

You'd get less for rape.

 

You'd get less for manslaughter (that is, killing someone but you didn't really mean it).

 

You'd possibly get less for murder.

 

You'd certainly get less for kicking the shit out of some poor innocent bloke on the prom at the weekend after a few beers.

 

You'd get less for hospitalising your partner through physical violence.

 

You'd get less for abusing a child.

 

You'd get less for knocking over and killing someone whilst driving drunk.

 

But hey ho at least the MESSAGE is getting out!

 

And the MESSAGE is - people sell drugs because there's fuckloads of cash to be made and an infinite supply of desperadoes and/or people under the cosh who'll do anything (even drive cars full of drugs to the IOM!) to do something that's a bit more appealing than how their life is currently structured - as such the MESSAGE is that the law matters not one bald coyote fuck when it comes to drugs and you'll never catch the big fish anyway.

 

So then, great result, the taxpayer lashes out hundrends of thousands of pounds to put this bloke away for fifteen years (and I say again, you'd get less than that for dragging a random woman down an alley for a laugh and raping her), and the net result is?

 

Absolutely fuck all.

 

The drugs vacuum will ALWAYS be filled because there's too much money involved and because the real movers and shakers in that business never put their heads above the parapet - some people like to get out of their heads on a regular basis, that's why we still have pubs.

 

Some folks do it responsibly, some folks fuck it up - the drug in question doesn't really matter.

 

Fifteen years for absolutely fuck all in my humble opinion.

[mojomonkey]

Not saying I agree with it but I suspect the logic is that the potential effect of that quantity of drugs is wider than just one person. That level of cocaine has the potential to harm dozens of people.

[cheeky boy]

- some people like to get out of their heads on a regular basis, that's why we still have pubs.

 

Some folks do it responsibly, some folks fuck it up - the drug in question doesn't really matter.

 

Drugs are a business of two halves : supply & demand

 

Most the resources seem to be directed against supply and very little to reduce demand

 

If nobody wanted to buy then dealers would not exsist

[Utah 01]

You'd get less for rape.

 

You'd get less for manslaughter (that is, killing someone but you didn't really mean it).

 

You'd possibly get less for murder.

 

You'd certainly get less for kicking the shit out of some poor innocent bloke on the prom at the weekend after a few beers.

 

You'd get less for hospitalising your partner through physical violence.

 

You'd get less for abusing a child.

 

You'd get less for knocking over and killing someone whilst driving drunk.

 

................all offences of which are eminently possible (and indeed are very often are) acts that are carried out under the influence of drugs (including alcohol). The untold misery these traffickers bring to individuals and our society at large is immeasurable. 15 years - he's lucky it happened here and not in some other jurisdictions where he would be looking forward to his last, hearty breakfast. Sympathy - nil. Whether the tariff is equitable or not is debateable; nevertheless, the message goes out that the Island will show zero tolerance and rightly so, for the good of the majority of us. Throw away the keys!

[Sebrof]

The great mistake the judiciary make when they pass these sentences is that they don't realise that if people think they won't get caught, the sentence is immaterial. People still used to steal sheep when the penalty was death.

 

On balance I think it would be best to legalise all drugs. That would bring in a load of revenue, massively reduce crime, cut policing and prison costs, improve purity, improve the health of addicts (they'd have money to spend on food - malnutrition being the main downside for most serious addicts because they have no money left to spend on food).

 

There'd be more money available for treatment and drugs would lose their glamour.

 

There'd be considerable social costs, but arguably much less than now.

 

S

[thebees]

Not all people who use drugs are addled maniacs, don't believe all the hype. 15 years is absolutely ridiculous, I hope the person gets less if there's an appeal. Cocaine isn't a particularly nice drug, I've never really seen the attraction but some people like it, each to their own - you can always say 'no' (all by yourself, without the help of the nanny state).

[Twitch]

You'd get less for rape.

 

You'd get less for manslaughter (that is, killing someone but you didn't really mean it).

 

You'd possibly get less for murder.

 

You'd certainly get less for kicking the shit out of some poor innocent bloke on the prom at the weekend after a few beers.

 

You'd get less for hospitalising your partner through physical violence.

 

You'd get less for abusing a child.

 

You'd get less for knocking over and killing someone whilst driving drunk.

 

................all offences of which are eminently possible (and indeed are very often are) acts that are carried out under the influence of drugs (including alcohol). The untold misery these traffickers bring to individuals and our society at large is immeasurable. 15 years - he's lucky it happened here and not in some other jurisdictions where he would be looking forward to his last, hearty breakfast. Sympathy - nil. Whether the tariff is equitable or not is debateable; nevertheless, the message goes out that the Island will show zero tolerance and rightly so, for the good of the majority of us. Throw away the keys!

 

So we should make alcohol illegal right? It's the drug that has the most undesirable effects on society as you have pointed out.

[When Skies Are Grey]

So we should make alcohol illegal right?

 

I think you will find that its spelt alegal actually

 

And while you are at it...lets ban smoking, the Steam Packet and white dog poo......

[mojomonkey]

I think you will find that its spelt alegal actually

 

I assume you're joking?

[When Skies Are Grey]

I think you will find that its spelt alegal actually

 

I assume you're joking?

 

Sorry yes...cross referencing to another thread when someone went crazy with their grammar....innit.

[manxy]

The great mistake the judiciary make when they pass these sentences is that they don't realise that if people think they won't get caught, the sentence is immaterial. People still used to steal sheep when the penalty was death.

 

On balance I think it would be best to legalise all drugs. That would bring in a load of revenue, massively reduce crime, cut policing and prison costs, improve purity, improve the health of addicts (they'd have money to spend on food - malnutrition being the main downside for most serious addicts because they have no money left to spend on food).

 

There'd be more money available for treatment and drugs would lose their glamour.

 

There'd be considerable social costs, but arguably much less than now.

 

S

Once over, I would have disagreed intensely over what you said Sebrof, but when you think about it, it makes reasonable sense.

The island will always have its druggies, some paying within their budget and having little affect on other people, whilst the ones who cause the problems are those that create a multitude of victims in their wake, so that they can get their next fix, come rain, hail or shine. These are the ones thats the problem and as mentioned previously, remove one dealer and another takes their place

The jail isn't big enough to deal with the amount of drug takers about the place and maybe it's time to look at a different solution?

If the drugs were legalised to the point that only registered drug users could get them at a specific time and place, then would drug dealers be needed? If they were not illegal for the registered users, would they commit crimes to feed their habit and would they need to do so?

If the positive thing out of this is to reduce crime and therefore victims, then would it not be feasible to attempt this after proper consultation with all the necessary agencies and professions? Also, by providing users with the proper healthcare and treatment, including food and some type of lodgings if needed (old prison?), would it not be possible for the users to come off drugs?

 

Lots of questions that need lots of answers and I wonder if anyone in certain circles has brought this difficult topic up in this way?

At the end of the day (yes it's night), something has to be done and although the Police do a decent job with the limited resources they've got, wouldn't it be better for all concerned, to have a specialised registered drug unit?

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If you disagree with what I've said, then thats fine, you're entitled to your viewpoint, but I'm also willing to listen to your suggestions as well

[Gladys]

Then, of course, there is the IOM attitude of dealing heavily with the enemy without, rather than facing up to the enemy within.

[sarahc]

A local man just got 15 years jail for importing a kilo of cocaine, in the UK he would have got around half that sentence

 

15 yrs is what you would get for murder, Newberry our very own double murderer got 20 yrs

 

I wouldn't mind so much if the courts doubled up an all sentences and locked up for years all those scumbags who beat innocent people up every weekend on the prom

 

Also, I wouldn't mind so much if the courts applied their sentencing consistently, but they recently gave a sentence of one year to a woman caught with a huge quantity if amphetamine which is actually more harmful than cocaine

 

 

The punishment should fit the crime and this kind of inconsistent sentencing just shouts Banana Republic

 

That's the difference, isn't it? It's counted as importation. Dealing would have attracted a lesser sentence, IMO. What would an importer have got in the UK?