immortalpuppet Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 you stick to the wrong conclusion then. It loads the full web pages including pictures and links and on my web browser (Z8) it is 18.4kb, on my blackberry its just over 60kb. Different mobile browsers have different software so the pages will not be the same on every phone, but the idea that a mobile browser and a PC browser use the same data to view a web page is way out there so the 25p per page theory is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knoxville Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 you stick to the wrong conclusion then. It loads the full web pages including pictures and links and on my web browser (Z8) it is 18.4kb, on my blackberry its just over 60kb. Different mobile browsers have different software so the pages will not be the same on every phone, but the idea that a mobile browser and a PC browser use the same data to view a web page is way out there so the 25p per page theory is wrong. He must be down loading alot of porn and doing a lot of wanking me thinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wideload Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 just an FYI before anyone buys a Nokia phone from Manx Telecom , check the Nokia.co.uk shop as the prices are cheaper than Manx telecoms buy it nows and some of their "deals" on contracts aint all that clever when you add them up either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickiom Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 p.s. actually .. does anyone know if you can "bolt-on" a mobile data package to a Pay Monthly contract? Yep - it's still not exactly deal of the century though..... http://www.manx-telecom.com/default.asp?id=107 I'm getting increasingly hacked off with MT's charges, big bills month after month and it's amazing how much stuff isn't covered by 2 x £25 mobile contracts. Simple things like the fact I hardly ever use any of my free minutes, but if my wife goes over we pay top dollar for the extra calls, when there are about six billion free minutes left on my number. Both mobiles are on the same effing bill, why not pool all the free texts and minutes together between the two numbers? On top of that, I can only conclude that the bills themselves are deliberately designed to be an exercise in obfuscation, I really couldn't make sense of what I was paying for one month (it's only two mobiles and a landline on the same bill, and I'm not particularly stupid), so I asked in the shop, only to find that the staff in there couldn't work out what the bloody hell I was supposed to be paying for either. I've already binned off MT as my ISP, when the mobile contracts come up for renewal I'll definitely be wandering down the road to see what deals Sure have on. I gave up on MT last month bills just seemed to get bigger and bigger month by month so even though I have a year left with MT I have changed to Sure. I'd rather drop down to the lowest tariff with MT and get a far better deal with Sure. So far it looks like its going to work out better having the two contracts as it will work out cheaper. How wrong is that!! Id did ask about getting out of the MT contract and you cant even pay yourself out of the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeddan Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 My cousin in Ireland is with Meteor. When she tops up with £20 she has unlimited texts to all Irish networks for a month. When the month is up she can continue texting and calling until she then uses up the £20. She can then top up any time after that and the free month of texting starts again. A £20 top-up can last her a couple of months. I think O2 have followed suit. Competition is a fantastic thing. Competition in telcos for mobile services is crap. £20 for unlimited texts makes outlandish margins. (realistically never more than probably 10Mb, and probably even then 'unlimited' is subject to 'fair use' allowing them to terminate 'excessive use'.) Even HSDPA in the UK - £10 for 1Gb is still raking huge profit. One reason why prices are so high and competition is so poor is because of high barriers to switching - long terms contracts especially (also investment in service provider specific hardware as with HSDPA dongles). If everyone took PAYG with unlocked handsets and had automatic number portability, prices would fall to a tiny fraction of what they are at the moment. Yes House, the whole pricing structure is designed to be good for salesmen to make it sound attractive in marketing the plan, and get you tied into the contract, while at the same time the 'deals' are designed to fleece the customer for as much as possible. That's what they're in business to do. The telcos are very sophisticated and savvy about how to get the best deal for themselves, unlike the customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebrof Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 My cousin in Ireland is with Meteor. When she tops up with £20 she has unlimited texts to all Irish networks for a month. When the month is up she can continue texting and calling until she then uses up the £20. She can then top up any time after that and the free month of texting starts again. A £20 top-up can last her a couple of months. I think O2 have followed suit. Competition is a fantastic thing. Competition in telcos for mobile services is crap. £20 for unlimited texts makes outlandish margins. (realistically never more than probably 10Mb, and probably even then 'unlimited' is subject to 'fair use' allowing them to terminate 'excessive use'.) Even HSDPA in the UK - £10 for 1Gb is still raking huge profit. One reason why prices are so high and competition is so poor is because of high barriers to switching - long terms contracts especially (also investment in service provider specific hardware as with HSDPA dongles). If everyone took PAYG with unlocked handsets and had automatic number portability, prices would fall to a tiny fraction of what they are at the moment. Yes House, the whole pricing structure is designed to be good for salesmen to make it sound attractive in marketing the plan, and get you tied into the contract, while at the same time the 'deals' are designed to fleece the customer for as much as possible. That's what they're in business to do. The telcos are very sophisticated and savvy about how to get the best deal for themselves, unlike the customers. All of which is a great indictment of the OFT, the most toothless watchdog of all. S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notbertie Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I want out, but want to know what the impact would be re: number portability. Does anyone have any experience of the universally quoted switching cost - number portability? i.e. if I as a moderate business user switch to another provider/network, will I actually suffer? Also, when is number portability coming in on the IOM - are MT holding this up? I was a big fan of MT until I saw the bills -they are going up, and the marketing tricks are only transparent after receiving a bill (& MT used to be such a values/community-led business too). Now it seems you get the "buy this tarrif/we've optimised you" call only for you to use 1/20th of the minutes, as none of the calls/texts qualify. This most recent behaviour is disgraceful. Come on Carmel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KERED Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Quote ....."All of which is a great indictment of the OFT, the most toothless watchdog of all." This sounds like a job forCHAMP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KERED Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 (Sorry - try agen Kered!...) Quote ....."All of which is a great indictment of the OFT, the most toothless watchdog of all." This sounds like a job for CHAMP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immortalpuppet Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Works better with a picture, surfboard optional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gd0nfn Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I understand that the Communications Commission are currently looking at number portability (move you MT number to Sure) and I am advised that this should be available Feb-Mar 2009. John I want out, but want to know what the impact would be re: number portability. Does anyone have any experience of the universally quoted switching cost - number portability? i.e. if I as a moderate business user switch to another provider/network, will I actually suffer? Also, when is number portability coming in on the IOM - are MT holding this up? I was a big fan of MT until I saw the bills -they are going up, and the marketing tricks are only transparent after receiving a bill (& MT used to be such a values/community-led business too). Now it seems you get the "buy this tarrif/we've optimised you" call only for you to use 1/20th of the minutes, as none of the calls/texts qualify. This most recent behaviour is disgraceful. Come on Carmel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitch Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 I understand that the Communications Commission are currently looking at number portability (move you MT number to Sure) and I am advised that this should be available Feb-Mar 2009. John The 3 networks (remember Cloud 9 as well) have been discussing this for over a year. It's not a case of MT holding anything up but the 3 networks have to find out how to port numbers to each other's networks. Not just MT to Sure, but Sure to MT, MT to Cloud 9 etc. This is a highly technical issue to overcome. Given Cloud 9's joke of a network (anyone know what's happening with them?) I reckon they have been as responsible for holding this up as the other 2 networks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notbertie Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I understand that the Communications Commission are currently looking at number portability (move you MT number to Sure) and I am advised that this should be available Feb-Mar 2009. John The 3 networks (remember Cloud 9 as well) have been discussing this for over a year. It's not a case of MT holding anything up but the 3 networks have to find out how to port numbers to each other's networks. Not just MT to Sure, but Sure to MT, MT to Cloud 9 etc. This is a highly technical issue to overcome. Given Cloud 9's joke of a network (anyone know what's happening with them?) I reckon they have been as responsible for holding this up as the other 2 networks. Thanks for the feedback. I doubt it has anything to do with Wire 9 as their business case is pretty terminal given that MT has resorted to price competition. Incidentally, continuing price competition is pretty terminal for MT (lowest price needs lowest average costs (Sure trumps MT in terms of scale economies); hence O2 descend and MT are forced to take a write-down on their most recent capital purchases, MT senior management asked politely to retire, and MT becomes O2). I am certain that Cable and Wireless are not holding NP up. Number portability would be so attractive to consumers joining their network, and I believe they started convening about NP several years ago. I am also aware of the situation in the Channel Islands where the regulator was forced to step in against the incumbent - why would MT would behave differently. Anyway, back to the original question: Does anyone have any experience of changing networks (good or bad)? I'm particularly interested in any good or bad points of changing telephone numbers on people that may have your number already? How you managed the move, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knoxville Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Just has my bill land on my door step ( theres still a hole which it made ). Last month for 2 mobiles £37.11 and this month £79.39..................and they've been used in the same as they are every month. Never go over the alotted limits...........going to ask tomorrow where all this extra cost has come in. Fucking LIVID with this shit, very tempted to go to Sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Just has my bill land on my door step ( theres still a hole which it made ). Last month for 2 mobiles £37.11 and this month £79.39..................and they've been used in the same as they are every month. Never go over the alotted limits...........going to ask tomorrow where all this extra cost has come in. Fucking LIVID with this shit, very tempted to go to Sure. has your half price rentel finished, i know its not half but could be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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