Slim Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 You could look at it the other way, if a limit isn't introduced and the roat fatalities continue in TT week, a lack of a limit may prevent the TT from happening. Adding a limit therefore would help the TT survive, no? There's also bike racing in other countries that have speed limits, so why are they exclusive here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 I doubt the TT would disappear, I would have thought the vast majority of fans come here to watch the greatest mortorcycle road racing in the world, and still would. If it stops the minority of tossers who want to use open public roads roads as a means to live out some boyhood fantasy then all the better, I can't see that losing a few lunatic tourists per year is going to make much of an impact on anyones tax bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 It would probably reduce your tax bills. Imagine the revenue from a few speed cameras on the mountain road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 This is great news! I thought the Government would bottle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirdick Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 It's nothing to do with freedom of speed (heh); it's everything to do with penis envy and boys getting their kicks from driving fast.My cars xxxx, but if I could creep it into the 60's it would be nice to know I can do it and be OK with doing it. It's a shame it has to come to this, I don't use the mountain road, and all the way along the coast to Laxey there are hardly any crashes. Yet this road I use still gets punished. It would make more sense to just enforce it on the mountain road. I don't want to sound naive or anything, but when you say about the TT, I'm assuming for the races they'll disable it? It is accepted limits alone won't work so the consultation paper sets out proposals to improve education, increase awareness of hazards with improved signage and increase penalties for road traffic offences. Although this education thing sounds a rather spiffing idea. And on a final note, can someone tell me how much beer in a glass 50mg's is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireblade Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 as a biker and from 20 years experience talking to bikers that the common consensus is the NO SPEED limit is a magor attraction to them.the times ive heard if there's a speed limit then they will stop comming over and thats from sensible people not idiots who race about.its not always the speed as the common belief seems it to be its the sense of freedom that comes with it thats more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripsaw Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 The current level of 80mg is *generally* 4 units of alcohol 1 unit is: 1/2 pint of standard strength beer/lager 1 glass of wine 1 pub measure of spirits (40% ABV) The actual level is purely guess work. It is no defence to "think you are ok". Alcohol level in your blood varies by body mass, male/female, recent food consumed, body metabolism, medication, ammount of time between drinks... and many other considerations. The new limit is 5/8th of the current limit ie 2.5 units. Some would argue that if a change in permitted alcohol level is to be implimented, then why not adot a zero level? Basically, it is guesswork as the your personal permitted allowence. Why have a law that encourages guessing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 I gather it can't be zero, because you'll often have some in your system from the day before, medicines, mouthwash, whatever. It needs to be low enough so you can basically drink xxxx all and get away with driving directly after though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 I'd be happy with a zero alcohol level (but as Slim quite rightly points out, with allowances for medications or similar) It's not a difficult choice really is it? Fancy having a drink? Then leave the car at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirdick Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 I didn't want to get into a big drink driving debate, obviously if you're going to drink don't use the car or leave it in a safe place for tomorrow, but I was intregued as to what the actual limit (roughly) is. I always thought it was a lot lower, and I dunno who would think they're ok to drive after 3 or 4 pints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripsaw Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 It is no secret that if you go out for a serious drinking session you can still be over the limit the next morning, and if stopped, breathalised and found to still be over the limit, you will be prosecuted. For a law as serious as Drink Driving, it seems crazy to give individuals the freedom to make a serious error of judgement which can affect their livelihood that is based on what could come down to the last 3 or 4 mouthfuls of a pint glass. A person can drink exactly the same ammount on two different days and be under the limit one day and over the next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Yep, I was out with the Internation MR2 club when they came over in Jan, they came because of no-limited roads. I'd rather die than have limited roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumble Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 ans - you're either missing the point - or being deliberately obtuse. From your previous posts on this I assume that you're the kind of person who finds driving a chore - just a way of getting from A to B. I feel sorry that you can't share my joy of cars and bikes, but wonder if there's something that you DO enjoy that I may find odd? Football maybe? Millions of people live for it - I simply don't see the point... but instead of wanting to curtail their fun, I let them get on with it and stay out of their way. Same with booze. I enjoy a couple of pints, but don't like being wrecked...yet know lots of people who aren't having a good time until they're legless. Nobody who enjoys driving/riding will welcome blanket speed limits. It's a manifestation of the nanny state. It's politically correct. It's a sop to the high proportion of Manx drivers who can't drive properly. And it's nothing to do with penis envy, boy racers or midlife crises. I relish feeling in complete control of a machine. It's not so much about speed - I rarely do over 100mph on the Mountain, but LOVE the fact that I can do so legally as long as I don't get it wrong, and can prove (if pulled over) that I'm driving or riding safely with due consideration of road conditions. This Island has a huge number of good, safe, fast drivers - with our motorsport heritage that's hardly surprising. Arbitrary speed limits will simply mean that instead of being 'tuned in' to driving, their CPU's will be idling at 60mph and there'll probably be MORE accidents. There'll be no motivation for people to hone their skills. Enthusiasts aren't the problem. Boy racers with no driving experience and a desire to impress mates/girls will continue to be killed and to hurt others. Drink drivers will do the same. Badly maintained vehicles will still be deathtraps. Bad drivers - many of them too old to still be on the road - will still cause accidents. It's not about saving 5 minutes - but why the hell should we all trundle around like drones at the speed of the slowest? In nature and in life, sustainable and safe speed is encouraged and applauded. My message to the anti-speed lobby...if you can't hack it on the roads, look at improving YOUR skills and driving ability before you seek to drag the rest of us down to your - often appalling - level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 I'd rather die than have limited roads. Stop adding silver linings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripsaw Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 I was driving along South Quay last night (from ATS towards The Traff) at bang on 29mph when some idiot in an Escort Estate charged up behind me then overtook me on the approach to the roundaabout. His car was leaning right over as he sped round the roundabout and onwards towards the new bridge. Made me see the logic in concentrating efforts on cars doing 75 on the Mountain Mile, that did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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