manxman2 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 aye the middle east has democratic goverments ffs. you cannot deal with people who hate you .. whether they were fairly elected or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebrof Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 aye the middle east has democratic goverments ffs. you cannot deal with people who hate you .. whether they were fairly elected or not. You can stop killing their wives and children, and get off their land, and start respecting UN resolutions. Then they might stop hating you so much. S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 err yes, hamas were voted in, it wasn't a coup as israel claim. i agree that you cannot deal with people who hate you. but it's the same for both sides, more so hamas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 aye the middle east has democratic goverments ffs. you cannot deal with people who hate you .. whether they were fairly elected or not. You can and often have to when deal with people who hate you, but when they perpetrate terrorist acts as well the issue is that dealing with them give the whole organisation legitimacy. And do you really want to have respectful dialogue with murderers? But the fact is that the Israeli government is no better than Hamas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 aye the middle east has democratic goverments ffs. you cannot deal with people who hate you .. whether they were fairly elected or not. You can and often have to when deal with people who hate you, but when they perpetrate terrorist acts as well the issue is that dealing with them give the whole organisation legitimacy. And do you really want to have respectful dialogue with murderers? But the fact is that the Israeli government is no better than Hamas. Did the British bomb the hell out of the IRA in an attempt to stop their activities? However diificult is is you have to talk to people and negotiate in the end. So far Israel has killed 1,203 people including 410 children. and injured 5,300. 4,000 residential buildings have been destroyed. 13 Israelis have been killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Did the British bomb the hell out of the IRA in an attempt to stop their activities?However diificult is is you have to talk to people and negotiate in the end. So far Israel has killed 1,203 people including 410 children. and injured 5,300. 4,000 residential buildings have been destroyed. 13 Israelis have been killed. Even the loyalist paramilitary leaders (the UDA included)realised that at some point the people they would need to talk with was the PIRA. And they were sworn enemies. But the British government had little issue with meeting PIRA representatives if it reduce the severity of the conflict. Hamas do not believe Israel should exist, but nor did the PIRA believe that the British government should be in Northern Ireland. Though I wonder how much the British government's and public's lack of interest with Northern Ireland made it easier to deal with the PIRA and seem so ready to negotiate. It is a different situation for Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman2 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Did the British bomb the hell out of the IRA in an attempt to stop their activities?However diificult is is you have to talk to people and negotiate in the end. So far Israel has killed 1,203 people including 410 children. and injured 5,300. 4,000 residential buildings have been destroyed. 13 Israelis have been killed. Even the loyalist paramilitary leaders (the UDA included)realised that at some point the people they would need to talk with was the PIRA. And they were sworn enemies. But the British government had little issue with meeting PIRA representatives if it reduce the severity of the conflict. Hamas do not believe Israel should exist, but nor did the PIRA believe that the British government should be in Northern Ireland. it was more interested in reducing costs.. and the british should not have been in ireland either so pira were right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebrof Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 and the british should not have been in ireland either so pira were right. They were there because the majority wished it. S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 and the british should not have been in ireland either so pira were right. Yes they wanted to reduce costs, but the British have cared little for Northern Ireland, it isn't like Scotland and Wales. The British army had to go into Northern Ireland, there would have been civil war otherwise. I don't buy into the nationalist bullshit about the island of Ireland needing to be one nation. The Protestants didn't want that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman2 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 no-one in ireland wished for british imperialism sebrof .. it was forced on them .. then father time done the rest to the population. as we know imperial britain could only hold on too a small piece of the irish continent that should be a sign to as how the irish masses felt about the brits. just because they annexed and held part of the country for along time did not make it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebrof Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 no-one in ireland wished for british imperialism sebrof .. it was forced on them .. then father time done the rest to the population. as we know imperial britain could only hold on too a small piece of the irish continent that should be a sign to as how the irish masses felt about the brits. just because they annexed and held part of the country for along time did not make it right. I thought we were talking about the North, which voted to remain British in 1917 or whenever. The Brits certainly treated the Irish pretty badly over the years. But it was par for the course. The Americans were slaughtering the Indians; the Austrians were executing Polish schoolchildren for speaking Polish. Times have changed, thank God. S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 no-one in ireland wished for british imperialism sebrof .. it was forced on them .. then father time done the rest to the population. as we know imperial britain could only hold on too a small piece of the irish continent that should be a sign to as how the irish masses felt about the brits. just because they annexed and held part of the country for along time did not make it right. No, nobody in Ireland did. But the legacy of the Plantation of Ulster was a very large population of Protestant in Northern Ireland and a good deal in Dublin. Now after father time, the British government understandably wanted to continue to rule over these people who considered themselves and were British. The fact is that the Liberals were not that interested in retaining absolute control over Ireland and the opposition to British rule could hardly go ignored by them. The only reason why it was partitioned was because the Protestants in the North were British. But Ireland was never a nation state but the British exploitation of the Irish was wrong. But it is different story in the North in respect of the Protestants. The big problem was that there were also a lot of Irish people in Ulster who came under the rule of Stormont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Embedded With The Gaza Medics Doesn't look quite as clean and distanced as the stuff on the news... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Embedded With The Gaza Medics Doesn't look quite as clean and distanced as the stuff on the news... depends what news you watch..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
When Skies Are Grey Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Unseen Gaza Dispatches Channel 4 this evening (Thursday) 11.05pm....looks interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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