La_Dolce_Vita Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 In any event, always assuming there is a conviction after due process, cut off their nasty little goolies. I don't think current legislation allows that. Nor should it happen, I know lots of people want paedophiles brought to justice via the noose or some other form of capital punishments or even brutally punished (because what they have done is terrible) but should not paedophilia be classed into the same category as or be seen to be a mental condition that requires some form of resolution other than punishment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 but should not paedophilia be classed into the same category as or be seen to be a mental condition that requires some form of resolution other than punishment? Not ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minxie Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Nor should it happen, I know lots of people want paedophiles brought to justice via the noose or some other form of capital punishments or even brutally punished (because what they have done is terrible) but should not paedophilia be classed into the same category as or be seen to be a mental condition that requires some form of resolution other than punishment? What 'resolution' would you suggest LDV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 but should not paedophilia be classed into the same category as or be seen to be a mental condition that requires some form of resolution other than punishment? Not ever. But what about some form of punishment and some form of 'medical'/'psychiatric help. What 'resolution' would you suggest LDV? Unsure, genuinely am but I have a distaste for vengeful acts such as capital punishment and brutal punishment that equal my disgust at paedophilic acts. I suppose my interest is in prevention and 'cure' of the person. Whatever paedophilia is classed as, whether it could possibly be called a sexuality or not (am I don't believe it is), it is one where the person, like a rapist, wants to have total control over their victim and unfettered influence. With this being the case, is this where the paedophiliac desires lie? I am only speculating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Nor should it happen, I know lots of people want paedophiles brought to justice via the noose or some other form of capital punishments or even brutally punished (because what they have done is terrible) but should not paedophilia be classed into the same category as or be seen to be a mental condition that requires some form of resolution other than punishment? Castration would be a very effective resolution in my opinion. It doesn't have to be a brutal punishment, quick and simple surgical procedure. They do it already in parts of the USA. You've got to wonder why a convicted peado doesn't voluntarily get castrated. Surely it'd be an end to their problems and a better alternative than a lifetime on watch on the sex offenders register? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Nor should it happen, I know lots of people want paedophiles brought to justice via the noose or some other form of capital punishments or even brutally punished (because what they have done is terrible) but should not paedophilia be classed into the same category as or be seen to be a mental condition that requires some form of resolution other than punishment? Castration would be a very effective resolution in my opinion. It doesn't have to be a brutal punishment, quick and simple surgical procedure. They do it already in parts of the USA. You've got to wonder why a convicted peado doesn't voluntarily get castrated. Surely it'd be an end to their problems and a better alternative than a lifetime on watch on the sex offenders register? I suppose it would lower their libido but would isn't that all that castration does, just lower the libido? Though if they want to voluntarily be castrated then great, but it isn't a viable solution as it could and should not be applied to all paedophiliacs or even rapists as well, as much as it one would feel it to be a fitting bit of a revenge on someone who has caused so much pain. Just seems to make more sense to sort out why they go after kids in the first place and by extension why some men want to rape women/men. All seems the same sort of thing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I suppose it would lower their libido but would isn't that all that castration does, just lower the libido? Though if they want to voluntarily be castrated then great, but it isn't a viable solution as it could and should not be applied to all paedophiliacs or even rapists as well, as much as it one would feel it to be a fitting bit of a revenge on someone who has caused so much pain. Just seems to make more sense to sort out why they go after kids in the first place and by extension why some men want to rape women/men. All seems the same sort of thing to me. Oh, 'sort it out'. Why didn't they think of that! Your'e a genius! Yes, castrating sex offenders reduce their desire to commit sex offences. What's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJudge Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 In any event, always assuming there is a conviction after due process, cut off their nasty little goolies. I don't think current legislation allows that. Nor should it happen, I know lots of people want paedophiles brought to justice via the noose or some other form of capital punishments or even brutally punished (because what they have done is terrible) but should not paedophilia be classed into the same category as or be seen to be a mental condition that requires some form of resolution other than punishment? I'm sure that people who abuse children or download child porn will be quaking in their boots at the thought of being treated if they get caught. There has to be punishment - get into the real world and take off your rose tinted spectacles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hboy Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 but should not paedophilia be classed into the same category as or be seen to be a mental condition that requires some form of resolution other than punishment? I strongly doubt that it is purely mental condition which is curable with councelling or drugs etc. At the end of the day the vile, filthy, socially inept nonces who interfere with children should get all they deserve. If they are going to castrate them two breeze-blocks should be all that is required to do the trick. I'd do it for free I have a few lying around the garage. After that maybe sticking their knackers in a jar and putting them on the counter of the local police station as a reminder to their mates might send out an appropriate warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatopian Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/klu/...05?crawler=true Child pornography offenders who had committed a prior or concurrent contact sexual offense [sic] were the most likely to offend again, either generally or sexually I'd suggest that some attention should be paid to the risk of recidivism before electing for an extreme punishment such as castration. Accessing child pornography is a serious offence, but rather different in character from the direct physical or sexual abuse of a child, which ranks among the most morally repugnant of all crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I suppose it would lower their libido but would isn't that all that castration does, just lower the libido? Though if they want to voluntarily be castrated then great, but it isn't a viable solution as it could and should not be applied to all paedophiliacs or even rapists as well, as much as it one would feel it to be a fitting bit of a revenge on someone who has caused so much pain. Just seems to make more sense to sort out why they go after kids in the first place and by extension why some men want to rape women/men. All seems the same sort of thing to me. Oh, 'sort it out'. Why didn't they think of that! Your'e a genius! Yes, castrating sex offenders reduce their desire to commit sex offences. What's the problem? Why didn't WHO think of it?? Don't pretend that the legal system looks for the wisest and most prudent ways of sorting out society's shit. When someone commits a crime they just get punished. All I am saying is whether something should be done to look at why such people commit these acts, i.e. from a psychological perspective, and spend more time dealing with that than at JUST punishing someone. Or do we need to know more about what really causes people to do such things in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugger Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I'm not in favour of irreversible punishments, death penalty and castration (other than the chemical variety) included. The criminal justice system is imperfect, and it would lead to innocent people being subjected to this punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I'm sure that people who abuse children or download child porn will be quaking in their boots at the thought of being treated if they get caught. There has to be punishment - get into the real world and take off your rose tinted spectacles You sound like the one with rose tinted spectacles with comments like "There has to be punishment". You seem to imply that it deters, but does the conventional punishment deter? I have heard plenty of cases of paedos being released and then committing similar acts to those they were originally convicted for. Simply because there is a historic way in which criminals have been dealt with does not mean that it the best system or even one that works. I strongly doubt that it is purely mental condition which is curable with councelling or drugs etc. Why do you think this? I don't for one minute think drugs could sort it out. I don't think it is down to some form of psychosomatic disorder, e.g. some form of chemical imbalance. But these sort of people clearly have issues with power, having sexual power over others which the vast majority of people do not share. Curious as to why such people are the way they are, in the sense that if possible it should be prevented from happening again or happening at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Accessing child pornography is a serious offence, but rather different in character from the direct physical or sexual abuse of a child, which ranks among the most morally repugnant of all crimes. Without demand, there is no need for supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hboy Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I strongly doubt that it is purely mental condition which is curable with councelling or drugs etc. Why do you think this? I don't for one minute think drugs could sort it out. I don't think it is down to some form of psychosomatic disorder, e.g. some form of chemical imbalance. But these sort of people clearly have issues with power, having sexual power over others which the vast majority of people do not share. Curious as to why such people are the way they are, in the sense that if possible it should be prevented from happening again or happening at all. Easy really. I think some of the condition is down to power, maybe alienation, certainly social detachment or an inability to form adult relationships on equal terms with another adult. It is however above all else a sexual complusion, and by castrating you remove that element which has to be a substantial motivating part of the problem to start with. Personally though whilst making these comments I have to say that I don't really care. I think they are disgusting scum of the earth people who have no right to live in society with the rest of us, and that's about it really. These people are animals and you can't rehabilitate a lion or a shark to stop it killing so I don't see why society should waste money trying to analyse these people. If a dog attacks once you put it down because its a dog and it will just do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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