Lost Login Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I actually find the question fairly interesting as how do you decide what nationality you are. To me it probably boils down to where you were born or brought up, or how you were brought up. I am not Manx at all in my opinion, but my wife is as are my children as all were born and brought up in the IoM. I have not looked back at my wife's ancestory but she has absolutely no affiliation to any other country so in my view she must be Manx, no matter where her parents, grandparents came from because if she is not then I have no idea what other nationality she could be seen as having. Just to keep Manxman happy I actually think her parents were born in th IoM and probably her grandparents etc so I apologise if that is the case and I have interfered and diluted the ratial putity of her family line I mention how you were brought up as I know Ian Hislop was born in Swansea and though I do not know how long he lived there he does not regard himself as welsh. Equally there are or were welsh communities in the North West probably 100 years ago where the child might be born and brought up in England, but to a welsh speaking family, with welsh as their first language and in a welsh community. In many peoples criteria those people would be described as English but those people would certainly not describe themselves as such. The same point probably applies many Chinese and other nationalities living in the UK and many English and British people leaving abroad. On my father's side, I can trace my Manx roots back a very long way. My mother, however, was Irish. So, am I Manx? (You bet your ass, I am!)My wife is English (No, don't condemn her, it isn't her fault) so, are our kids Manx? (Again, you bet your ass, they are!) In the grand scheme of things, does any of this matter? No... not even the slightest little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monasqueen Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Is claiming to be Celt any more bizarre than claiming to be Saxon? I think not. Anyway my point is just like some comeovers are grateful for not being Manx, I'm grateful not to be English. The point of my involvement with this thread however is not especially to demonstrate my Manx credentials, it's to take issue with the comeovers who moan about living here. Which I must confess is a pet irritant of mine. Why is it that you have to make out you are Celtic if you are of Manx origin? Couldn't you just as easily be Nordic (from Viking origins). The Island has had comeovers of many different varieties since ime immoral. Fortunately most appear to have come here out of love of the Island, and some have tried to assimilate parts of the culture and language. I was born in England (not my fault, your honour!) but dislike a lot of things English. I have lived in Wales, both North and South (which have language differences) and learned a little of the language to help with communication, and to try and fit in. Wales was a better place to live than England. For many years, I was a regular visitor to the Island, and grew to love the place, so much in fact, that I found when I arrived in Douglas on the boat, it felt like I was arriving home. Ultimately, it made sense to move here, as soon as an opportunity arose. I have been here for over 15 years, and no way am I going back, not even in a coffin. My origins are a crazy mix - Anglo Saxon, Scottish, Irish, possibly a bit of American - some of my ancestors were out there. I also have ancestors who were musos that played at Glen Helen 100 years or so back - so links to the Island must be in the blood! I do not like comeovers who immediately want to change everything. I am also very much against ghettos, and groups of foreigners who refuse to integrate. (That goes for anywhere in the world, too - when in Rome...etc...) If people do not like it here, they should not have come, and, you guessed it, there is a boat in the morning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 and us manx will treat you and every other comeover with equal contempt.. No we won't. People like you may do, but I'd like to think you are in the minority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theman Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 over population of are rock . have you seen how busy the roads are stu? the roads are a joke is it hanays fault...? the key side traffic takes the pee... if some rich dude (aka) foreigner want's to go out on his yacht. the isle of man come's to a grinding halt. dead clever (ps) oh are you a real dj stu? ? or having a crack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oogie boogie Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I'd class nationality on the place where you grew up. I guess the place that shaped you as you were growing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Treating people with contempt because of where they come from isn't just boorish, it severely restricts your enjoyment of all that human culture has to offer. I don't like the word 'Comeover'. The word 'Celtic' is a bit misleading, because it is a cultural definition, whereas I think you are using 'Nordic' as an ethnic / bloodline definition. When people refer to the Isle of Man as 'Celtic' they are referring to the traditional architecture, language, folklore, music, art, etc - rather than the bloodline. The Gal/Gall part of the placenames Galway, Donegal, Galloway, Innse Gall (Scottish Gaelic name for the Outer Hebrides) all refer to the fact that the areas were heavily settled by the Norse, as was Limerick, Dublin, and the West Coast of Wales. Describing these areas as 'Celtic' does not mean that the people there are descended from the Continental Celts, but that the Vikings who settled there integrated very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 over population of are rock . have you seen how busy the roads are stu? the roads are a joke is it hanays fault...? the key side traffic takes the pee... if some rich dude (aka) foreigner want's to go out on his yacht. the isle of man come's to a grinding halt. dead clever (ps) oh are you a real dj stu? ? or having a crack? It's the come-overs filling the schools so much so that one local yokel failed to see the blackboard during English lessons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theman Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 over population of are rock . have you seen how busy the roads are stu? the roads are a joke is it hanays fault...? the key side traffic takes the pee... if some rich dude (aka) foreigner want's to go out on his yacht. the isle of man come's to a grinding halt. dead clever (ps) oh are you a real dj stu? ? or having a crack? It's the come-overs filling the schools so much so that one local yokel failed to see the blackboard during English lessons? hmmmmm may be right as have bad hearing & Impaired vision. & lol i is not a inbreed. lol but i'm great at playing the banjo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domino Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 over population of are rock . have you seen how busy the roads are stu? the roads are a joke is it hanays fault...? the key side traffic takes the pee... if some rich dude (aka) foreigner want's to go out on his yacht. the isle of man come's to a grinding halt. dead clever (ps) oh are you a real dj stu? ? or having a crack? It's the come-overs filling the schools so much so that one local yokel failed to see the blackboard during English lessons? hmmmmm may be right as have bad hearing & Impaired vision. & lol i is not a inbreed. lol but i'm great at playing the banjo. Jeez 'theman' - your communication skills and statements are excellent fuel for any comeovers piss-taking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theman Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 over population of are rock . have you seen how busy the roads are stu? the roads are a joke is it hanays fault...? the key side traffic takes the pee... if some rich dude (aka) foreigner want's to go out on his yacht. the isle of man come's to a grinding halt. dead clever (ps) oh are you a real dj stu? ? or having a crack? It's the come-overs filling the schools so much so that one local yokel failed to see the blackboard during English lessons? hmmmmm may be right as have bad hearing & Impaired vision. & lol i is not a inbreed. lol but i'm great at playing the banjo. Jeez 'theman' - your communication skills and statements are excellent fuel for any comeovers piss-taking i is adding as my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Public Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Not only did he declare how much he loved the Island, he also finished the article on what a shithole Britain was. Yup, he's Manx alright! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimcalagon Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 hmmmmm may be right as have bad hearing & Impaired vision. & lol i is not a inbreed. lol but i'm great at playing the banjo. The extra fingers probably help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman2 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I actually find the question fairly interesting as how do you decide what nationality you are. To me it probably boils down to where you were born or brought up, or how you were brought up. I am not Manx at all in my opinion, but my wife is as are my children as all were born and brought up in the IoM. I have not looked back at my wife's ancestory but she has absolutely no affiliation to any other country so in my view she must be Manx, no matter where her parents, grandparents came from because if she is not then I have no idea what other nationality she could be seen as having. Just to keep Manxman happy I actually think her parents were born in th IoM and probably her grandparents etc so I apologise if that is the case and I have interfered and diluted the ratial putity of her family line I mention how you were brought up as I know Ian Hislop was born in Swansea and though I do not know how long he lived there he does not regard himself as welsh. Equally there are or were welsh communities in the North West probably 100 years ago where the child might be born and brought up in England, but to a welsh speaking family, with welsh as their first language and in a welsh community. In many peoples criteria those people would be described as English but those people would certainly not describe themselves as such. The same point probably applies many Chinese and other nationalities living in the UK and many English and British people leaving abroad. i dont believe your stupid enough to believe most of the manx stuff i write LL your posting makes that quite clear .. i treat others as they treat me .. only difference is i never forget being treated badly unnecessarily no matter what their nationality... and i actually agree with most of your sentiments if the island is your home the place you call home without a second thought and you care about what is going on around you .. thats good enough for me.. do you need a boat time table...?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman2 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 and us manx will treat you and every other comeover with equal contempt.. No we won't. People like you may do, but I'd like to think you are in the minority left that little hook out just before i went out for the day .. thanks for not dissapointing old git.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbaraG Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I have been on the Island for 36 years and came over when I was 21. I have loved this Island ever since and could never dream of going back to my birth place. After all the years I've spent here, I'm still aware that I'm not Manx even though I'm married to a Manxman. I'm just sorry I wasn't born Manx and my love affair with the Island will continue until I die. I just love it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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