Sebrof Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Sebrof - Are you deliberately obtuse? You counter the argument that buses are better than taxis for mass transport by bleating that some obscure route that few people will ever use is poorly served. It would be nice to have extra buses on the Peel to Port Erin route, but not at the expense of the main routes. The reason they run at the times you state is because they are spare at that time, but early morning and late afternoon they are used for schools and commuters. Besides, Port Erin & Peel aren't inaccessible from each other by bus during these times you just need to go through Douglas. Personally, I think of the Peel - Port Erin route as a bonus route. That's a rather Douglas-centric view. People who live elsewhere don't necessarily want to go to Douglas, you know. It's probable that the population of the island will increase as time goes by, and it makes sense to improve transport links between the other towns so as to avoid concentrating everything in Douglas, with all that means for road congestion, house prices, dormitory towns, etc.. And if there are bus services at convenient times, some people might be able to give up their cars, which is the point I was making. Has it occurred to you, Declan, that it is possible for other people to hold different views from yours without their being being obtuse? Or worse. Just present your own views politely, and they will be listened to (if they make sense). There is no need for the more literate contributors to this forum to stoop to the insults that characterise the posts of the yahoo element. S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Sebrof - I was polite. I called you obtuse, not because you held different views to me, but because yet again you had created the impression of discussing someone's post, when actually, you used it as a launch pad to shoot off tangentially until you landed on a platform where you could discuss your own particular bug bear. It's very frustrating, Spermann made an interesting suggestion about mass transport, I countered it, then before that idea can be expanded upon you and LDV have blathered away for many posts about a route that probably doesn't get 100 passengers a week. You post away constantly, typing what seems to be the first thing that crosses your mind, quoting vast tracts of previous posts that have little or nothing to do with your subsequent comments. You need an ASBO fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 So in your worlsd then, how do u get products that u like to buy, how would u get your computer, your internet etc, how does your view work in the respect to this, if we get taken advanatge off because we paid to make a product, if we dont make it who will, how would your world make these things, im quite intrested in how in your world, u would be able to buy anything, please explain I found just now but was looking for something else: http://www.geocities.com/capitolHill/1931/secIcon.html so u make co-op in your world, well dont somebody have to run the co-op, u will allways have somebody in charge, so the systerm is flawed anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 so u make co-op in your world, well dont somebody have to run the co-op, u will allways have somebody in charge, so the systerm is flawed anyway Not a cooperative, not like in the sense of cooperatives that have come and gone in Britain. But you would have something very similar in the workplace, though there would be no wages and it would be a democracy. No, you wouldn't have someone in charge. That's the point. Why do you think you would? There may some flaws in the system, and it MAY be impossible to realise a very smoothly running or perfect system but it would be a better system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurashima Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 The government will no doubt say that there is little demand for buses because everybody has a car. But everybody has a car because of the inadequacy of the bus service. S I know what you mean, you are at a big disadvantage if you don't take the car or don't drive. Are you talking about the Port Erin to Peel bus route? Sssh. Don't let on that I am from Peel. S What time is the last bus from Port Erin to Douglas? I appreciate that nobody wants to take 2 buses to get anywhere, but if its better value than running a car , sounds like a winner to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Not sure of the difference between now really, he who shouts loudest will get his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebrof Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Sebrof - I was polite. I called you obtuse, not because you held different views to me, but because yet again you had created the impression of discussing someone's post, when actually, you used it as a launch pad to shoot off tangentially until you landed on a platform where you could discuss your own particular bug bear. It's very frustrating, Spermann made an interesting suggestion about mass transport, I countered it, then before that idea can be expanded upon you and LDV have blathered away for many posts about a route that probably doesn't get 100 passengers a week. You post away constantly, typing what seems to be the first thing that crosses your mind, quoting vast tracts of previous posts that have little or nothing to do with your subsequent comments. You need an ASBO fella. If you care to reread what was written, I suggested another way to achieve what Sperman was after - a better late evening bus service. The fact that the island doesn't have a good evening bus service is further evidence of what I perceive to be a major failing - that the bus service doesn't go far enough. It doesn't provide a viable alternative to the car. The Port Erin story was merely an illustration of this, and I am disappointed you didn't see that. But I am sorry if this took the thread away from the direction you wanted it to go. I hadn't realised that you were the director of thread routes. Mea culpa. And whilst exaggeration is a permissable tool in making a point, it can be overdone. S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebrof Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 The government will no doubt say that there is little demand for buses because everybody has a car. But everybody has a car because of the inadequacy of the bus service. S I know what you mean, you are at a big disadvantage if you don't take the car or don't drive. Are you talking about the Port Erin to Peel bus route? Sssh. Don't let on that I am from Peel. S What time is the last bus from Port Erin to Douglas? I appreciate that nobody wants to take 2 buses to get anywhere, but if its better value than running a car , sounds like a winner to me. Sorry, Declan has banned discussion of this. It doesn't fit in with his plan for the thread. S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Last Bus to Douglas leaves PSM @ 22:40. Incidentally, what does passive aggressive mean, Sebof? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebrof Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Last Bus to Douglas leaves PSM @ 22:40. Incidentally, what does passive aggressive mean, Sebof? I'm not your personal dictionary, Declan. Look it up. S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 OK, would you like me to look up innuendo for you while I'm at it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebrof Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 OK, would you like me to look up innuendo for you while I'm at it? No, I'd just like you to take part in a thread like a normal human being without all the machismo. S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 so u make co-op in your world, well dont somebody have to run the co-op, u will allways have somebody in charge, so the systerm is flawed anyway Not a cooperative, not like in the sense of cooperatives that have come and gone in Britain. But you would have something very similar in the workplace, though there would be no wages and it would be a democracy. No, you wouldn't have someone in charge. That's the point. Why do you think you would? There may some flaws in the system, and it MAY be impossible to realise a very smoothly running or perfect system but it would be a better system. so no wagers, so u go from earning something for your work to not getting anything, ok then, so how would u buy say your daily food!!!!, there is allways somebody in charge, even if u think there aint, out of a mass of ppl a leader will always happin, because some ppl need leaders to live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 And how does a "normal human being" take part in the thread. All I know is that the majority of people have more respect for the forum than to quote great chunks of a previous post before adding a short and irrelevant comment. It wouldn't be so bad but you seem to do it in every thread and yet despite this your contribution never adds any insight to the thread. Show some respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 so no wagers, so u go from earning something for your work to not getting anything, ok then, so how would u buy say your daily food!!!!, You wouldn't BUY anything. There would be no wages and no money. There would be no money because there would be no need for it. If you are interested, have a read of these. I won't write anything epic. http://libcom.org/library/what-socialism-a...ist-perspective http://everything2.com/e2node/ABC%2520of%2...20Chapter%25202 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_economy there is allways somebody in charge, even if u think there aint, out of a mass of ppl a leader will always happin, because some ppl need leaders to live http://struggle.ws/ws93/leader38.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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