Newsbot Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Parents should not be forced to have their children vaccinated against measles, the Isle of Man's director of public health says. Source : http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/england/7883126.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutley Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 That's rich coming from the guy who phased out BCG vaccinations on the island in an era when TB is making a comeback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbms Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 What they should do is go with what people want and give the injections as 3 seperate instead of the combined then maybe more mothers would make sure their kids had the injections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I was surprised at some parents, it's not that they have any worries particularly about MMR, but they are generally against vaccination." I don't understand that at all. Why would they be against vaccinations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triskelion Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 What they should do is go with what people want and give the injections as 3 seperate instead of the combined then maybe more mothers would make sure their kids had the injections Why would people want that? Where is their rational basis supported by medical research to support such position? Medicine is not about giving people what they want, it is about giving people what they need. There is in fact much more evidence to suggest that individual injections are in fact more dangerous. The MMR controversy was 100% hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbms Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 What they should do is go with what people want and give the injections as 3 seperate instead of the combined then maybe more mothers would make sure their kids had the injections Why would people want that? Where is their rational basis supported by medical research to support such position? Medicine is not about giving people what they want, it is about giving people what they need. There is in fact much more evidence to suggest that individual injections are in fact more dangerous. The MMR controversy was 100% hype. Some say it was hype some say it wasn't, for me I am for the triple vaccine, but for those parents who don't want it due to their fears I would rather see them be offered the individual ones rather than none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triskelion Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Such people needs to realise their fears are unfounded, not have them pandered to. There is not a single credible medical report published that links the MMR jab to autism. Yes, there was that one article in the Lancet, but numerous subsequent studies have established no link, and something like 10 of the 12 original authors of the study in the Lancet have withdrawn their names from it. I realise many parents associate the MMR jab with autism in their children anecdotally, but this comes more from MMR clinics being the first time they see their child around others of the same age (making them begin to realise that their son or daughter is different) and a need to understand why their children has it, even though no one really knows what causes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_manx Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 That's rich coming from the guy who phased out BCG vaccinations on the island in an era when TB is making a comeback. That's a very common misconception. BCG is meant to prevent complications of TB(like meningitis) in infancy. It provides little or no protection against TB of the lungs in later life or as an adult. The problem in giving it to everyone is that its a live vaccine.That means that there is always the risk of getting localised forms of TB from the vaccine. BCG is only given to people at risk according to the WHO guidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbms Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Such people needs to realise their fears are unfounded, not have them pandered to. There is not a single credible medical report published that links the MMR jab to autism. Yes, there was that one article in the Lancet, but numerous subsequent studies have established no link, and something like 10 of the 12 original authors of the study in the Lancet have withdrawn their names from it. I realise many parents associate the MMR jab with autism in their children anecdotally, but this comes more from MMR clinics being the first time they see their child around others of the same age (making them begin to realise that their son or daughter is different) and a need to understand why their children has it, even though no one really knows what causes it. I agree but as some parents seem to jump on the band wagon of the scare mongers, would you not agree that for the health service to refuse to immunise children by an alternative but still effective way as a punishment for the ignorance of parents is a far greater risk to children and an equal act of stupidity as refusing to immunise via the triple jab. At the end of the day either method of immunisation is effective and better than digging heels in for finacial reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diomed Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Triskelion. I have to assume that you do not have a child that has been brain damaged after a bad reaction from the MMR vaccine. It happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebrof Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Triskelion. I have to assume that you do not have a child that has been brain damaged after a bad reaction from the MMR vaccine.It happens. Well, I hope you don't either. But the research on which the MMR scare was based involved 12 children - a statistically insignificant number. The chances of serious consequences, including death, if kids DON'T take the vaccine, are large. All drugs have side-effects. The decision whether to take a drug should be based on thorough research. S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Such people needs to realise their fears are unfounded, not have them pandered to. There is not a single credible medical report published that links the MMR jab to autism. Yes, there was that one article in the Lancet, but numerous subsequent studies have established no link, and something like 10 of the 12 original authors of the study in the Lancet have withdrawn their names from it. I realise many parents associate the MMR jab with autism in their children anecdotally, but this comes more from MMR clinics being the first time they see their child around others of the same age (making them begin to realise that their son or daughter is different) and a need to understand why their children has it, even though no one really knows what causes it. I agree but as some parents seem to jump on the band wagon of the scare mongers, would you not agree that for the health service to refuse to immunise children by an alternative but still effective way as a punishment for the ignorance of parents is a far greater risk to children and an equal act of stupidity as refusing to immunise via the triple jab. At the end of the day either method of immunisation is effective and better than digging heels in for finacial reasons. I think you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weasel Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Diomed. I have to assume that you do not have a child that has been brain damaged after measles. It happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbms Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Such people needs to realise their fears are unfounded, not have them pandered to. There is not a single credible medical report published that links the MMR jab to autism. Yes, there was that one article in the Lancet, but numerous subsequent studies have established no link, and something like 10 of the 12 original authors of the study in the Lancet have withdrawn their names from it. I realise many parents associate the MMR jab with autism in their children anecdotally, but this comes more from MMR clinics being the first time they see their child around others of the same age (making them begin to realise that their son or daughter is different) and a need to understand why their children has it, even though no one really knows what causes it. I agree but as some parents seem to jump on the band wagon of the scare mongers, would you not agree that for the health service to refuse to immunise children by an alternative but still effective way as a punishment for the ignorance of parents is a far greater risk to children and an equal act of stupidity as refusing to immunise via the triple jab. At the end of the day either method of immunisation is effective and better than digging heels in for finacial reasons. I think you're right. Oh shit myself and LDV have agreed (note to self ring doctor in morning to up my dose) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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