pongo Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 I've grown up now and wouldn't hold down my job, have my health physically and mentally or keep my house or my wife. So "in my opinion" I wouldn't want to see it legalised, as personally and from my own experience it doesn't do you any good - apart from the euphoric buzz. I've weighed up the good and bad and the bad outweighs the good for me anyway. I think that you are describing a more or less generic and typical experience of growing out of a particular set of things which make sense at 20 but not at 40. Not so different from Dads of the previous generation, who used to go to pubs at 20 but had given that up by 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger lily Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 No street drug good. Make week people brain go soft. Soo people no see sense how very bad it is. People becom to zombie. No can hold job. Becom week week sorry people. And want help of other people. No tolerate any street drug. it grow to big habit. Then it bad for all. Think of future. Think of children . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbones Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 No street drug good. Make week people brain go soft. Soo people no see sense how very bad it is. People becom to zombie. No can hold job. Becom week week sorry people. And want help of other people. No tolerate any street drug. it grow to big habit. Then it bad for all. Think of future. Think of children . Me love you long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman2 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 what a wonderful place cyber space is.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonan3 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 You don't get much fake booze about, why would this be any different? You've never had Carling Black Label? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I tend to agree with the scaling down of the classification of these drugs, but as mentioned, they can have a negative effect if used irresponsibly. Imagine the traditional densely populated industrial areas, where instead of a few pints two or three times a week, huge numbers of people choose an alternative and more pleasant escape. Then they couldn't function most of the working week because they were on a 'comedown' from ecstacy? I've seen the effects on people I have worked with, and whilst they seem healthy enough, it takes a couple of days for them to feel normal again. I'm convinced that this is what is in the minds of the government and probably why proper ecstacy has apparently all but disappeared from the streets and the news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Imagine the traditional densely populated industrial areas, where instead of a few pints two or three times a week, huge numbers of people choose an alternative and more pleasant escape. Huge numbers of people already do. Where are the industrial areas btw? The law doesn't stop anyone using drugs -- and many places the Police turn a blind eye anyhow. The advantage is with the criminal gangs. The result of prohibition is greater violence in the society - as gangsters attack and kill each other for control of the drugs trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted February 15, 2009 Author Share Posted February 15, 2009 I tend to agree with the scaling down of the classification of these drugs, but as mentioned, they can have a negative effect if used irresponsibly. Imagine the traditional densely populated industrial areas, where instead of a few pints two or three times a week, huge numbers of people choose an alternative and more pleasant escape. Then they couldn't function most of the working week because they were on a 'comedown' from ecstacy? I've seen the effects on people I have worked with, and whilst they seem healthy enough, it takes a couple of days for them to feel normal again. I'm convinced that this is what is in the minds of the government and probably why proper ecstacy has apparently all but disappeared from the streets and the news! What you are describing wouldn't happen, I think. Drinks is a downer you can have to relax and chill out. But you wouldn't meet up with people in a pub to socialise and throw some pills down your neck. It probably does make up part of the government perspective that it does not want the workers of the country to not be running at optimum efficiency. I don't know what you mean about the new, do you mean on the Isle of Man? If it isn't that popular over there anymore it is probably down to the fact that there is little reason to do it. There isn't anywhere to go clubbing on the Island, or anywhere that would make it worth it in the sense of dancing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesemonster2005 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Sure there are problems with some drugs regarding come downs which don't usually happen with alcohol except for hangovers for idiots who drink too much. But some drugs (cannabis and probably others) don't have any kind of come down or effects the following day. It seems that governments still cling to the old 'gateway to other drugs' theory which has long been dismissed by medical experts, the general population and even the right wing populist press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I tend to agree with the scaling down of the classification of these drugs, but as mentioned, they can have a negative effect if used irresponsibly. Imagine the traditional densely populated industrial areas, where instead of a few pints two or three times a week, huge numbers of people choose an alternative and more pleasant escape. Then they couldn't function most of the working week because they were on a 'comedown' from ecstacy? I've seen the effects on people I have worked with, and whilst they seem healthy enough, it takes a couple of days for them to feel normal again. I'm convinced that this is what is in the minds of the government and probably why proper ecstacy has apparently all but disappeared from the streets and the news! What you are describing wouldn't happen, I think. Drinks is a downer you can have to relax and chill out. But you wouldn't meet up with people in a pub to socialise and throw some pills down your neck. It probably does make up part of the government perspective that it does not want the workers of the country to not be running at optimum efficiency. I don't know what you mean about the new, do you mean on the Isle of Man? If it isn't that popular over there anymore it is probably down to the fact that there is little reason to do it. There isn't anywhere to go clubbing on the Island, or anywhere that would make it worth it in the sense of dancing. I think that has been part of the control strategy over here, it's difficult to get licensed. I think things have changed in the UK too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted February 15, 2009 Author Share Posted February 15, 2009 Sure there are problems with some drugs regarding come downs which don't usually happen with alcohol except for hangovers for idiots who drink too much. But some drugs (cannabis and probably others) don't have any kind of come down or effects the following day. It seems that governments still cling to the old 'gateway to other drugs' theory which has long been dismissed by medical experts, the general population and even the right wing populist press. And yet they ignore the fact that it appears that social deprivation amongst other things are a big gateway to drugs in themselves. The worse things are for you, the more likely you are to escape them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebees Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Yes, indeed LDV. Drugs get the blame for all manner of social ills and bad people blame drugs for them being bad, I will say it one more time "It is not the drugs" but they make a great scape goat. Slinky you used to be a raver and now you are married with kids. Me too, Wednesday hell, lol. I presume you were fortunate enough to avoid a criminal record for drugs, if you had been caught with, say 10 pills, been charged with dealing and sent to prison for 4-10 years would you still be happy to see the government taking no notice of the advice they paid to have themselves given? The legal status of recreational drugs is nonsensical, the money wasted on the 'war against drugs' could have been put to much better use & the baddies would have found something decent to get into trouble with the law for, people with a criminal record for drugs are just another example of lazy policing. Same old names all the time, how boring is that? One of my 'associates' is up on another pot charge atm, he is 50 odd, for goodness sake will they never leave him alone? Why go busting the same people time after time after time? I guess its, because it is against the law lol so is not doing a days archery practice each year for the queen but, you don't see many up in court for that now, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Yes, indeed LDV. Drugs get the blame for all manner of social ills and bad people blame drugs for them being bad, I will say it one more time "It is not the drugs" but they make a great scape goat. Ask the few remaining members of this family what they think about drugs: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/world/am....html?ref=world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebees Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Slim, thats Mexico the place is fucking nuts dood, those people given the name 'drug cartels' are probably into a lot more than drugs. However I can see that if that man had not been a member of the elite police team....he might still be alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebrof Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Yes, indeed LDV. Drugs get the blame for all manner of social ills and bad people blame drugs for them being bad, I will say it one more time "It is not the drugs" but they make a great scape goat. Ask the few remaining members of this family what they think about drugs: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/world/am....html?ref=world It's because they're illegal, Slim. If they were legal, we would have more people getting high, fewer people dying because purity would be better, fewer people dying because they can't afford food as well as drugs, much less petty crime to fuel the habit, and no drug-related gangsterism. I'm for legalisation. S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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