Rog Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 This should be making more than a few in the Key,s and one in particular in the LegCo become more than a little worried on the basis of gross incompetence if nothing else. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7946636.stm Quote --- Self-government in the Turks and Caicos Islands, a UK dependency, is set to be suspended after ministers were accused of incompetence and likely corruption. The Foreign Office is threatening to suspend large parts of the Turks' constitution and hand power over to the governor of the West Indies territory. So with the precedence set and the commencement of ‘hostilities’ against tax havens and money laundries how long before the UK Governor steps in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 So could the UKG, decide that IOM is corrupt etc and just take us over? Scary thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
When Skies Are Grey Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Aye as the UK government are paragons of virtue....sensationalist nonesense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 still its scary to think they might even have the power to do that, I mean what resistance would our current government put up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I think I agree that it is sensationalist nonesense - but for the Skeddans etc of this world it is consitutionally interesting. For the Turks and Caicos Islands the consitutional powers are well laid out. For us its slightly less clear - but the UK government does claim to have these powers for dire emergencies - though it refuses to explain what that means. Rog is gilding the lilly, but I do feel that a constitutional review needs to be undertaken - the sad fact for me is that I reckon that the result would be that the UK would be explicitely given the powers to take our democratic soverignty from us no matter what Tynwald says in disagreement. I believe that is the reason there is no push to gain clairity in our constitutional position - it is too unpalletable to be shown the light of day - and our politicians prefer an endarkened sham soverignty than the clarity that the UK is our master - if only in extremetis. For then, what would be the altenative - full independence, but they know we need big brother to hand over the Common Trough Purse etc. Our consititutional position is built on sand - but I very much doubt the current situation will undermine it - yet that assessment is always subject to change. Edited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Where's me washboard pitchfork? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Isn't the difference between the IOM and T&C that T&C was a colony given independance, whereas the IOM has always been a distinct jurisdiction, albeit at tiems something of a minor fiefdom? Not sure quite how the Act of Settlement (or whatever it was called) affects that, but I think many of the dependancies were created by a move away from colonialism rather than our case where we never were a colony, AFAIK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 They are British Overseas Territories - self governing, but with the UK having final oversight and soverignty. The IOM is a Crown Dependency which is different. But my point is that for all of Skeddan's dislike if push came to shove the IOM would be treated just like an Overseas Territory - technically that decision is the Queens - oh heck I can see the pages of comment just on that statement - but if, should we say, London decided that the IOM had become ungovernable then it has the power to stop Tynwald governing and give the power to Westminster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman2 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 never in a million years will they send the army in .. and thats what they would have to do .. we have been invaded over the millenia dozens of times .. they dont want 40000 manxies signing on the dole .. because none of us would work to pay taxes to them .. they already extort duty on everything we buy .. and thats money for nothing .. greedy bastards.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 never in a million years will they send the army in .. and thats what they would have to do .. we have been invaded over the millenia dozens of times .. they dont want 40000 manxies signing on the dole .. because none of us would work to pay taxes to them .. they already extort duty on everything we buy .. and thats money for nothing .. greedy bastards.. I don't understand, what do you mean by sending the army in? Why would they have to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman2 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 there would be murder thats why. the place would be raised to the ground.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimcalagon Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I think you mean razed to the ground. I can just picture the Manx Resistance, the Foxdale partisans wielding kippers and hurling manx knobs at the SAS, cohorts of tractors driving slowly along the roads to impede the progress of the Challenger tanks whilst Peel P50s packed with semtex make suicide runs at the army checkpoints. Or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Its what some off us have been training for all out lives ! In all honesty though I just find it rather scary that Mr UK, could judt decide , you have had your fun and we are sick off you taking away all out business as an offshore center, we are the daddy now !!! I just might not sleep tonight ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 So could the UKG, decide that IOM is corrupt etc and just take us over? Scary thought UK is responsible for the IOM's defence and foreign relations. UK can step in if they consider there is not 'good governance' on the island i.e. corruption etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman2 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I think you mean razed to the ground. I can just picture the Manx Resistance, the Foxdale partisans wielding kippers and hurling manx knobs at the SAS, cohorts of tractors driving slowly along the roads to impede the progress of the Challenger tanks whilst Peel P50s packed with semtex make suicide runs at the army checkpoints. Or not. bollox we would just nail them with the school run .. tanks my arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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