John Posted March 20, 2009 Author Share Posted March 20, 2009 I just really want to see this go through and will give it my full support in Council. Its a great idea and as a parent, the facility will be a godsend. Just the sort of nonsense you'd expect from a town councillor who cannot see through this little charade. It is never ever going to happen - you'd have to be stark staring bonkers to even consider this £30m project which cannot possibly make money or provide a return on investment at any point in the next 20 years. Its a typical Sefton Group development - get plot, stick sign up saying whats going to go there, get planning, sell plot or sell project on. No brick will ever get laid on this site so stop fooling yourselves. Just the sort of response you expect from a cynical forum poster, who is an expert on all subjects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Just the sort of response you expect from a cynical forum poster, who is an expert on all subjects. I think the cynicism is justified to be honest. What leisure facilities to sefton group offer currently other than for hotel guests? Just the run down shitey cinema? The bowlings gone since they took it over, along with the bar next to it. Their renovations of the building next to the seftons taking years, and their other 'development showcases' are car parks. They do seem to be all mouth so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted March 20, 2009 Author Share Posted March 20, 2009 If in say 2 years , there has been no movement or the project is shelved for no good reason, then I will join you in criticism. But until then I am living in hope that i don't have too, does it hurt to be positive about something for a change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 If in say 2 years , there has been no movement or the project is shelved for no good reason, then I will join you in criticism. But until then I am living in hope that i don't have too, does it hurt to be positive about something for a change? Yep, I do hope something gets done, and I think you should definitely support it, but support it with caution. There needs to be restrictions on any lease to make sure something happens with time commitments built in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee54 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I wonder if a Gun is being held to Governments heads, heard that they want the land for free or may divert the project to their own Walpole Av site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Yep, I do hope something gets done, and I think you should definitely support it, but support it with caution. There needs to be restrictions on any lease to make sure something happens with time commitments built in. Of course it's always wise to use caution with plans like this but there are no real reasons to be defeatists just yet. There's no need to kick someone when they're down and this is their opportunity to try and recover some dignity and respect. Good luck to them and I hope that they manage to make something good for everyone on the island to enjoy. Fuck it up and boy are they in for a shit load of hell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbashbosh Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 The Wave will happen - Sefton Group http://www.manxradio.com/newsread.aspx?id=34119 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbashbosh Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I wonder if a Gun is being held to Governments heads, heard that they want the land for free or may divert the project to their own Walpole Av site. How is that a gun to their heads? Other bidders were interested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xpert Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I'm all for having a project like this in the Isle of Man. If it's private money as well, then who is complaining. My reservations are, that for a long time I've heard people say build a multi-plex , bowling alley, etc like they have in England. Yet will that work in the Isalnd. I don't know. Sometimes though I do get the feeling that there's a mentality among the locals that just because there are facilities like this across the water then we should have them over here. If we can fill them and someone makes a profit then tally-ho away we go. However on my recent visits to the Palace cinema lately I have been surprised at the low number of people watching films. Are there enough people out there who would support something like 'The Wave'. And I mean in the long-term, when the euphoria dies down and the novelty wears off, not the short-term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbashbosh Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I'm all for having a project like this in the Isle of Man. If it's private money as well, then who is complaining. My reservations are, that for a long time I've heard people say build a multi-plex , bowling alley, etc like they have in England. Yet will that work in the Isalnd. I don't know. Sometimes though I do get the feeling that there's a mentality among the locals that just because there are facilities like this across the water then we should have them over here. If we can fill them and someone makes a profit then tally-ho away we go. However on my recent visits to the Palace cinema lately I have been surprised at the low number of people watching films. Are there enough people out there who would support something like 'The Wave'. And I mean in the long-term, when the euphoria dies down and the novelty wears off, not the short-term Yup - a market of 80,000 people with little other choice. I think some people stop frequenting places such as The Palace Cinema, because the facilities just aren't up to scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3v0 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I'm all for having a project like this in the Isle of Man. If it's private money as well, then who is complaining. My reservations are, that for a long time I've heard people say build a multi-plex , bowling alley, etc like they have in England. Yet will that work in the Isalnd. I don't know. Sometimes though I do get the feeling that there's a mentality among the locals that just because there are facilities like this across the water then we should have them over here. If we can fill them and someone makes a profit then tally-ho away we go. However on my recent visits to the Palace cinema lately I have been surprised at the low number of people watching films. Are there enough people out there who would support something like 'The Wave'. And I mean in the long-term, when the euphoria dies down and the novelty wears off, not the short-term Yup - a market of 80,000 people with little other choice. I think some people stop frequenting places such as The Palace Cinema, because the facilities just aren't up to scratch. Agreed, I love going to the Cinema but I never go over here because it's grotty, too hot, too small, smelly and generally shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Just the sort of response you expect from a cynical forum poster, who is an expert on all subjects. This is the internets - we are all experts.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted March 20, 2009 Author Share Posted March 20, 2009 I'm all for having a project like this in the Isle of Man. If it's private money as well, then who is complaining. My reservations are, that for a long time I've heard people say build a multi-plex , bowling alley, etc like they have in England. Yet will that work in the Isalnd. I don't know. Sometimes though I do get the feeling that there's a mentality among the locals that just because there are facilities like this across the water then we should have them over here. If we can fill them and someone makes a profit then tally-ho away we go. However on my recent visits to the Palace cinema lately I have been surprised at the low number of people watching films. Are there enough people out there who would support something like 'The Wave'. And I mean in the long-term, when the euphoria dies down and the novelty wears off, not the short-term Yup - a market of 80,000 people with little other choice. I think some people stop frequenting places such as The Palace Cinema, because the facilities just aren't up to scratch. Agreed, I love going to the Cinema but I never go over here because it's grotty, too hot, too small, smelly and generally shit. You thought the Palace was bad... what did you think off the old Summerland one...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimcalagon Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 However on my recent visits to the Palace cinema lately I have been surprised at the low number of people watching films. That is more due to the numbskulls who run the place - as an example, Watchmen, a highly anticipated film which topped the box-office charts around the world after its release was given ONE screening at the Palace. This screening sold out without being advertised. The Palace have no plans to show the film again. Plus the place is a grotty, smelly pit run by pensioners and staffed by surly rejects from Marilyn Manson's band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimcalagon Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 That is more due to the numbskulls who run the place - as an example, Watchmen, a highly anticipated film which topped the box-office charts around the world after its release was given ONE screening at the Palace. This screening sold out without being advertised. The Palace have no plans to show the film again. Plus the place is a grotty, smelly pit run by pensioners and staffed by surly rejects from Marilyn Manson's band. Forgot to add - the summerland cinema was even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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