bluemonday Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Full article here Demjanjuk His son, John Demjanjuk Jr, told The Times last night: “He’s bed-ridden, he’s extremely weak. He’s in a lot of pain.” Tough. IMPO I don't give a toss. I strongly feel he should stand trial. Given the nature of what he is alleged to have done, is age or infirmity a reason to deny justice to the victims? Views/Opinions? ETA Given the time scale, obviously the quality/nature of evidence must be of an acceptable level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Full article hereDemjanjuk His son, John Demjanjuk Jr, told The Times last night: “He’s bed-ridden, he’s extremely weak. He’s in a lot of pain.” Tough. IMPO I don't give a toss. I strongly feel he should stand trial. Given the nature of what he is alleged to have done, is age or infirmity a reason to deny justice to the victims? Views/Opinions? ETA Given the time scale, obviously the quality/nature of evidence must be of an acceptable level. I am curious as to why you want him to stand trial. Do you wish for it to be determined that he is guilty of crime or do you wish for him to be punished, or both? From reading the article, it does not seem that he would be punished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 The victims of the holocaust are still dead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manshimajin Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 The victims of the holocaust are still dead... Not entirely true PK - most are but the survivors have to live on with their memories and usually without their fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters. LDV - why pursue people like this? If they did what they are claimed to have done - a combination of justice, punishment and (however inglorious it may sound) some vengeance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 OK I'll re-phrase "Those who died in the holocaust are still dead..." Happy now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 I think you can let a parking fine drop after a few years, but genocide is a little different. The problem is who is responsible, and are they still alive? Unpalatable as it may be, if the wrath of the world is being vented on a person who was quite lowly, acting under orders and wasn't responsible for the architecture behind the holocaust, then is this the right person to pursue? I couldn't even begin to defend the actions in the holocaust, or the events before and after it, but you have to get the right people, not a scapegoat or trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 The victims of the holocaust are still dead... Not entirely true PK - most are but the survivors have to live on with their memories and usually without their fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters. LDV - why pursue people like this? If they did what they are claimed to have done - a combination of justice, punishment and (however inglorious it may sound) some vengeance. Oh yes, I know, but what I meant Manshimajin was why is it necessary for him to stand trial if he is too sick to be punished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Justice Yes he was low down on the ladder, yes others who did worse died before justice caught up with them. But for people who do such things I am happy that they must spend every single day of their lives wondering if one day a knock at the door will come and someone will make them face what they have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Justice Yes he was low down on the ladder, yes others who did worse died before justice caught up with them. But for people who do such things I am happy that they must spend every single day of their lives wondering if one day a knock at the door will come and someone will make them face what they have done. Do you see what I mean though? A trial is arranged to bring someone to justice for the purposes of determining their guilt and also to punish if guilty. Only the former could take place. If he is sick he cannot be incarcerated. All that would would seemingly happen is for his guilt to be confirmed, but is that useful in itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Yes - the person has been convicted - the victims, or more likely their descendents, will have seen justice be done, seen that justice has been pursued for such heinous crimes without let over years, decades, and pretty much generations. That to me sends a powerful message to those who plan or take part in such acts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theman Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 oh may days. how many people died in them wars???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? i think where are in need of them b1g ar5e war's. to free up some space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terse Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 If he is sick he cannot be incarcerated. Ronnie Biggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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