Speckled Frost Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 What's wrong with fuel guzzling anyway, you buy a fuel guzzler and you have to pay the price for the fuel. What's the problem? Thinking more about the environmental impact Stav. Anyway, I feel I'm being outnumbered and I don't care enough about this topic to receive a forum beating so I'm running away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 Thinking more about the environmental impact Stav. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Buy a big enough truck and if you hit a tree or something else in the environment, it should damage your truck too much. They're built for environmental impacts! Stav. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 Anyway, I feel I'm being outnumbered and I don't care enough about this topic to receive a forum beating so I'm running away. You stay here and let me kick your bony butt! (I won't forgive you for revealing my two wheeled turns and Starskey & Hutch type harbour jumps) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 (I won't forgive you for revealing my two wheeled turns and Starskey & Hutch type harbour jumps) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dukes of Hazzard dear Daisy, Dukes of Hazzard! Stav. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 Hmm, I know that landy. Watched it up at Dhoon quarry last year in an event. If you're who owned it back then, then I know you & your brothers. Sort of. That's not my one. There were two in the club at one time, the red one with the galvanised coil sprung chassis you're probably thinking of and my one, which has now expired, which was pretty much original army spec except for the radio gear being removed, converted to 12v and the 3L V6 fitted I managed to get a copy of the "owners" manual which had some handy tips on how to disable it with small arms fire and a hand grenade. (The LWT Landie was only ever sold to the Army, the original spec called for a vehicle capable of being parachuted out of a plane. It had a strenghtened chassis so it was actually heavier that the standard Landie despite the "Lightweight" tag) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cret Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 What's wrong with fuel guzzling anyway, you buy a fuel guzzler and you have to pay the price for the fuel. What's the problem? Stav. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Touché. Mine does fudge all mpg meaning I hardly drive it, so despite paying ridiculous tax levels to use it I don't get the opportunity that often to pollute the environment/squish children & cuddly animals/lord it up over people in teeny cars etc because it costs too much, meaning that me owning it and taxing it alone is making a big contribution to the environment. Besides, I bet the la-di-da brigade in their 'never seen mud nor will they' hella expensive jeeps are probably more economical & environmentally friendly than joe bloggs (sorry joe) in his 15 year old smoky escort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cret Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 I managed to get a copy of the "owners" manual which had some handy tips on how to disable it with small arms fire and a hand grenade. (The LWT Landie was only ever sold to the Army, the original spec called for a vehicle capable of being parachuted out of a plane. It had a strenghtened chassis so it was actually heavier that the standard Landie despite the "Lightweight" tag) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ace! T'other one is also a ford v6 essex/cologne powered jobbie though isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 T'other one is also a ford v6 essex/cologne powered jobbie though isn't it? Yup, both LWT Landies in the club had the same Steve Parker Ford V6 conversion. The owner of the red one (can't mention names here but he has a pony tail) is a lot more handy with the mechanics that I ever was and he stripped it and fitted that fancy chassis to it. All I ever did was have a roll cage fitted and I changed the leaf springs for a softer set to get some more axle articulation for trials use. Mine was standard olive drab with the canvas top. It eventually expired with chassis rot but I believe the engine lives on in some trials project vehicle that eventually might see the light some day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 Anyway, why should anyone have to defend a personal choice? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> When it's a personal choice that affects the safety of others and has a severe detrimental effect on the environment. I think people with ego problems should have the choice to drive a big and stupid tonka toys, but they should be taxed a disporportionate amount. If they're thick enough to spend that money on an x-5 they're thick enough to pay the tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinkydevil Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 And 4x4s can affect the attitude of drivers. They feel more protected and then take more risks. I'm sorry but that statement is complete and utter bollocks. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not bollocks. but your opinion obs, come on.... "Most 4x4 owners say the height and weight of their car makes them feel safer. Opponents say they are merely expensive fashion accessories, and dangerous to boot. A recent British survey found that just one in eight 4x4 drivers had driven their car off-road, and six in 10 never take it out of town." Source - Guardian "A lot of them realise the disadvantages - the difficulty of manoeuvring, for instance - but mistakenly believe that the cars are safer and more practical. "Of course, other drivers can be very defensive. There's a sort of fortress mentality when you climb into one of these things - the drivers just think they can do what they want and only Jeep rules apply." Source - telegraph.co.uk http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/news/4x4_campaign.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/insideldn/poli...itics_4x4.shtml http://www.wastemonsters.org.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 You could say the same for Mr Porsche, Mrs Ferrari and Master Lamborghini. Completely pointless on the Isle of Man, but people like the look of them, they can afford them, so that's what they drive. My Dad has always driven big 4x4's and the only time I've seen him go off road is when he bumps his big Nissan up onto the curb outside Foxdale garage. He just likes 4x4's. Any vehicle is just a means of getting from A to B (Andreas-Ballasalla). Some people like to do it fast with their arse 3 inches from the ground, others like to do it a bit slower and get a nice view over the hedges. I drive a big transit van, bigger than a Landrover or even a Hummer, I drive it everyday, normally empty. You never hear people complain about vans though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blixo Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 What about the 4x4 Subaru Impreza & Evo crowd? are they safety conscious & economical cars??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddy Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 4X4's can certainly be an intimidating experience if they're been driven fast on the mountain and no, before anyone gets in, it's not just because of their size. There's vans, wagons and buses up there every day, much bigger and more dangerous to crash into, driven by even realer men (probably with even bigger willies too). It's because some of the 4X4's are driven as if they were normal cars. However, full crack down the mountain mile they certainly don't look like normal cars, they hurtle along looking like somebody stuck a rocket engine up the arse of a bus.....and somehow they still manage to hold me up too. EDIT - They don't look like they take fast corners too well either, I think it's only the great weight of them stopping them from rolling over. Any vehicle is just a means of getting from A to B (Andreas-Ballasalla). Some people like to do it fast with their arse 3 inches from the ground, others like to do it a bit slower and get a nice view over the hedges. Fair point there. I think it's just a shame more people don't realise there is a difference between driving normal cars and 4X4's. My sister had one years ago and she was told by a few more experienced 4X4 drivers that she should slow down and not drive as if it was a car, but without being told this she didn't have a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey_magic Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 They should at least have their headlights at the same height as traditional cars. When they come up behind you at night the lights shine straight into your mirror. It's like a normal car on full beam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 They should at least have their headlights at the same height as traditional cars. When they come up behind you at night the lights shine straight into your mirror. It's like a normal car on full beam. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's why your rear view mirror has a little tilty thing on it! Stav. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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