jimbms Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 But it is part of the legal identity database which by law you must ensure is correct How so? Please post some proof of your assertion. Try reading the conditions of holding a Manx license or the conditions for registration of a vehicle, if you are too bone idle to do so yourself I wont do it for you.But in a short version it is up to the holder to inform of any change of address or medical issues same with log book for address or ownership, not to do so is an offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted July 10, 2009 Author Share Posted July 10, 2009 Try reading the conditions of holding a Manx license or the conditions for registration of a vehicle, if you are too bone idle to do so yourself I wont do it for you.But in a short version it is up to the holder to inform of any change of address or medical issues same with log book for address or ownership, not to do so is an offence. But I have done my homework. The UK ID Cards Act only applies in the UK - not the Isle of Man. If you commit an offence in relation to your Manx driving licence then that is a local matter over which the UK Identity and Passport Office do not have jurisdiction. Have a read though this explanatory Memorandum for the latest ID Cards Statutory Instrument: EXPLANATORY MEMORANDUM TO THE IDENTITY CARDS ACT 2006 (APPLICATION AND ISSUE OF ID CARD AND NOTIFICATION OF CHANGES) REGULATIONS 2009 Territorial Extent and Application5.1 This instrument applies to all of the United Kingdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbms Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Try reading the conditions of holding a Manx license or the conditions for registration of a vehicle, if you are too bone idle to do so yourself I wont do it for you.But in a short version it is up to the holder to inform of any change of address or medical issues same with log book for address or ownership, not to do so is an offence. But I have done my homework. The UK ID Cards Act only applies in the UK - not the Isle of Man. If you commit an offence in relation to your Manx driving licence then that is a local matter over which the UK Identity and Passport Office do not have jurisdiction. Have a read though this explanatory Memorandum for the latest ID Cards Statutory Instrument: EXPLANATORY MEMORANDUM TO THE IDENTITY CARDS ACT 2006 (APPLICATION AND ISSUE OF ID CARD AND NOTIFICATION OF CHANGES) REGULATIONS 2009 Territorial Extent and Application5.1 This instrument applies to all of the United Kingdom. I never mentioned the UK I could not give a toss about the UK I was refering to the legal obligation in relation to Manx documentation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebrof Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Trains ? Just not needed one, I holiday in the UK. A lot is now clear. S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemonday Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 India to issue all 1.2 billion citizens with biometric ID cards Clicky India’s legions of local bureaucrats currently issue at least 20 proofs of identity, including birth certificates, driving licences and ration cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 The film 'Taking Liberties' has a good section on ID Cards: Clicky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 The film 'Taking Liberties' has a good section on ID Cards: Clicky Cartoon nonsense for the hard of thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 Cartoon nonsense for the hard of thinking. It's a clip from an excellent film called Taking Liberties which look at a whole range of civil liberites issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 It's a clip from an excellent film called Taking Liberties which look at a whole range of civil liberites issues. I've seen it, it should be bundled with that other dumbed down and worthless channel 4 documentary 'the great global warming syndrome'. This is fearmongering claptrap anti government propoganda that thrives on picking out select bits of news footage to back up it's dramatic graphics and half truth narrative. It's rot. If you believe it in it's entirity you have mush for brains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 It's a clip from an excellent film called Taking Liberties which look at a whole range of civil liberites issues. I've seen it, it should be bundled with that other dumbed down and worthless channel 4 documentary 'the great global warming syndrome'. This is fearmongering claptrap anti government propoganda that thrives on picking out select bits of news footage to back up it's dramatic graphics and half truth narrative. It's rot. If you believe it in it's entirity you have mush for brains. Dumbed down it is and I tend think that Michael Moore's stuff (on different subjects, of course) is dumbed down. But it is trying to get to make things as simple as they can so people can understand what has gone on and what is going on. Nothing about that clip I saw was a half-truth. However, you seem to think the motivation behind them is based on silly ideas and, though I can only guess, you think it is simply fearmongering. But then from previous threads it does seem that you are very comfortable with the paternalism of the State and the authority it has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted July 18, 2009 Author Share Posted July 18, 2009 Dumbed down it is and I tend think that Michael Moore's stuff (on different subjects, of course) is dumbed down. But it is trying to get to make things as simple as they can so people can understand what has gone on and what is going on. Nothing about that clip I saw was a half-truth. A feature of the civil liberties debate is that it is becoming increasingly specialised and technical. It's a debate taking place amongst politicians, lawyers, lobbyists and campaign groups like NO2ID and Liberty. All well and good. However, somehow the debate has to reach the large section of the populace who, say, read the Sun and the News of the World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Dumbed down it is and I tend think that Michael Moore's stuff (on different subjects, of course) is dumbed down. But it is trying to get to make things as simple as they can so people can understand what has gone on and what is going on. Nothing about that clip I saw was a half-truth. However, you seem to think the motivation behind them is based on silly ideas and, though I can only guess, you think it is simply fearmongering. But then from previous threads it does seem that you are very comfortable with the paternalism of the State and the authority it has. It's not that I'm very comfortable with state authority, I'm just not automatically fearful of any change. I can look at both sides and see where there's benefits to improving identity recording, which will actually help to reduce many of the fears this documentary tries to induce. And it is full of rot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Dumbed down it is and I tend think that Michael Moore's stuff (on different subjects, of course) is dumbed down. But it is trying to get to make things as simple as they can so people can understand what has gone on and what is going on. Nothing about that clip I saw was a half-truth. However, you seem to think the motivation behind them is based on silly ideas and, though I can only guess, you think it is simply fearmongering. But then from previous threads it does seem that you are very comfortable with the paternalism of the State and the authority it has. It's not that I'm very comfortable with state authority, I'm just not automatically fearful of any change. I can look at both sides and see where there's benefits to improving identity recording, which will actually help to reduce many of the fears this documentary tries to induce. And it is full of rot. I don't think this is a fear of change in itself. I think it has a lot to do with recognising that the introduction of such things as ID has to be question very critically. Given that governments that the State has a vested interest in gaining as much control over the population as it can, what could be the consequences of having ID cards? Are they really necessary? How are they used in other countries and how have they been used in the past? I think a little of it is about fear-mongering in a sense of portraying what the possible worst consequences could be, but I am not sure whether this is so bad. I mean, on the other side of this propaganda war you have the government TELLING the people with little explanation other than they are at risk that such cards are needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted July 31, 2009 Author Share Posted July 31, 2009 One of the problems the NO2ID campaign have had is getting good media exposure. However, Andrew Watson from Cambridge got a slot on local radio: BBC Radio Cambridgeshire Well worth a listen for a deeper explanation of the database issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 I read yesterday that they are launching an I.D. Scheme in Manchester. It is voluntary but will be advertised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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