Xpert Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Anyone else finding it hard to watch more than two minutes worth? As a day out it's probably good but it's not televisual viewing. Dull, dull, dull. Still, each to their own and i'm sure there's someone out there getting off on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyboarder Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 It's no less interesting than watching a load of foul smelling leather lovers drinking in a tent on the prom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatopian Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Putting aside my opinion of certain current and former elected representatives and officers of state, the tradition of Tynwald itself is one of the things that I am most proud of as a Manxman. To have the longest continuous parliamentary tradition is something undoubtedly worthy of celebration. Let's not forget that the Island was also one of the very first place in the world in which both men and women were enfranchised. It so happens that 5-6 July are public holidays here as well, so I have heard the Manx Radio streams in previous years, but it's certainly a novelty to be able to watch the ceremony as well. So far the coverage has been pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Putting aside my opinion of certain current and former elected representatives and officers of state, the tradition of Tynwald itself is one of the things that I am most proud of as a Manxman. To have the longest continuous parliamentary tradition is something undoubtedly worthy of celebration. Let's not forget that the Island was also one of the very first place in the world in which both men and women were enfranchised. Is it undoubted? Really am playing 'devil's advocate' (can't think of a better term). But is it simply the length of which a government structure that has remained intact that makes Tynwald worth celebrating? And does the impact of women receiving the vote, albeit on an extremely limited basis, deserve a celebration when in the 1860s (and for many decades previous and after) the Island was run almost as if it was some autocratic system where the people had no control over goverrnment? Not saying you are one of them Pragmatopian, but there are very silly people who call the Island one of the oldest continuous democracies, which when recognised what they really mean, it isn't much to cheer about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinkydevil Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Is it undoubted? Really am playing 'devil's advocate' (can't think of a better term). But is it simply the length of which a government structure that has remained intact that makes Tynwald worth celebrating? Quantity doesn't equal quality eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Is it undoubted? Really am playing 'devil's advocate' (can't think of a better term). But is it simply the length of which a government structure that has remained intact that makes Tynwald worth celebrating? Quantity doesn't equal quality eh? An obviously extreme example and one more easy to recognise, but if it is simply about the length of time then would we celebrate our government structures if we lived in a fascist regime or state socialist (USSR type) one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 There's Cheeky Boy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Wouldn't it be great after that long list of dignatories ... "the representative of the council of peace ... 2 messengers of the house of keys ... 1st Deemster ... 2nd Deemster ... The President of Tynwald ... His Excellency The Governor ..." he ended it with "and now Motorhead!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatopian Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 But is it simply the length of which a government structure that has remained intact that makes Tynwald worth celebrating? The longevity is not all, but it's not an insignificant part: it represents some form of stability and civility in a world which is often anything but. I now live in a country which has gone through countless and often violent changes in government: many within the last 100 years, let alone the last 1000. The current parliamentary system is less than 20 years old, before which for the preceding 40 years most decisions were made by the Communist machine more than 1000 miles away in Moscow. Such frequent wrenching changes in society have left scars on the psyche of the people who lived through them and on the country as a whole which will take generations to heal. And does the impact of women receiving the vote, albeit on an extremely limited basis, deserve a celebration when in the 1860s (and for many decades previous and after) the Island was run almost as if it was some autocratic system where the people had no control over goverrnment? My understanding is that, based on the support of the people, Tynwald had intended to give the vote to all women rather than only to those with property, and that the compromise was only made because Royal Ascent would not have been granted to a bill to give all women the vote. The point is that Tynwald was willing to blaze a trail on such an important issue, rather than simply trailing in the wake of its larger neighbour. Not saying you are one of them Pragmatopian, but there are very silly people who call the Island one of the oldest continuous democracies, which when recognised what they really mean, it isn't much to cheer about. I was very careful to say 'parliamentary traditions' rather than 'parliamentary democracies'. Clearly no system existing in reality is perfect, and most tend to evolve as civilisation itself evolves: Tynwald itself has been no exception to this. However, I think our history and traditions are worthy of celebration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 We've now got live coverage of the Chief Minister blotting someone's copy book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domino Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Jeez, they are having a good time there aren't they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 David Callister looks like the bloke off the Monopoly board! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parchedpeas Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 The Commenwealth bloke is excited about being in the Island of Man and his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 This coverage is really good. Well done Newsbot and chums! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 A lot of us have absolutely no desire to watch a bunch of self-aggrandising, puffed-up, aresholes strutting around liking to think what important and superior beings they are. Shit EG, with that description it sounds like you were there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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